The Staff Sergeant Recruiter told me to get the **** out of this office.

[Texas1989]

I refused to sign open contract.

Here is the story.

They wanted me to sign an open contract before I went to MEPS to take my physical and my ASVAB.
They assured me there wasn't any other way. That this is what everyone does and has been done for a while.
But this girl that was in the office was about to go to MEPS with me without having to sign a open contract.

My question is where these Marine recruiter trying to pull a fast one on me?
I told them I would not take the ASVAB or take the physical before I signed any contract. I think it's a bit ludicrous to do so.
What if I get down there and I bomb the ASVAB and do poorly on the physical and my only option of service is to become a damn cook.

I'm not joining the Marine Corps to work in the food industry if I wanted that I would go to cooking school.
I know there are other threads about this subject but those have been in the past and everyone seems to have their own opinion on things.

Any help from someone who knows what their talking about would be really appreciative.
I told him I wouldn't sign an open contract before I went to MEPS. He told me to get the **** out of his office after that
I don't want to join any other service. If these guys did me wrong I'll go to another recruiting station.

[thewookie]

I went in open contract. It worked out.

You don't hold any cards in this game: you either do as they say, and believe they are doing you right, or you go home. Go Army?

The Corps doesn't have to convince you to be anything -- they are only going to give you a chance to be a U.S. Marine --- the rest is up to you.

That is my opinion.

[Texas1989]

I went in open contract. It worked out.

You don't hold any cards in this game: you either do as they say, and believe they are doing you right, or you go home. Go Army?

The Corps doesn't have to convince you to be anything -- they are only going to give you a chance to be a U.S. Marine --- the rest is up to you.

That is my opinion.

One of the lines on the open contract states something like " you may be assigned any MOS that the Marine Corps currently needs"

I mean come on...

Who wants to get stuck with a waste management MOS. Sounds like you got lucky.

[Tennessee Top]

They didn't do you wrong. Applicants don't go to MEPS with a MOS contract.

Think about it...there is no way of knowing what MOS you're qualified for until you get your line scores from the ASVAB. Why would they let you sign up to work on jet engines when they don't even know if your test scores show all you can do is drive a truck? You won't sign a contract for your MOS till right before you ship to bootcamp.

You need to trust your recruiters; they do not need to hijack anybody to join these days. By the way, they are not guys...they are Marines!

Are you going to question your DI's too? Let us know how that works out for you.

[Texas1989]

They didn't do you wrong. Applicants don't go to MEPS with a MOS contract.

Think about it...there is no way of knowing what MOS you're qualified for until you get your line scores from the ASVAB. Why would they let you sign up to work on jet engines when they don't even know if your test scores show all you can do is drive a truck? You won't sign a contract for your MOS till right before you ship to bootcamp.

You need to trust your recruiters; they do not need to hijack anybody to join these days. By the way, they are not guys...they are Marines!

Are you going to question your DI's too? Let us know how that works out for you.

Hell no I'm not going to question my DI's. But recruiters have a different reputation.

[Santini]

Anyone know how the M.C. computed age?

[Sgt Leprechaun]

That question makes no sense. Start a new thread. Deleted.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Now, on to the next bit....

Here's the deal. At the moment, the Corps is at around 200,000 Marines. In the VERY near future, that number is going to drop to somewhere around 186,000. With the chance for it to go EVEN lower than that.

So, new wannabees are a 'dime a dozen'. Last year, 649 Sergeants who had between 10-13 years time in service were told, "Thanks, but you didn't make SSgt this year so have a nice day". Out. Gone.

This RS probably has already 'met mission' for the forseeable future.

See where I'm going with this?

[thewookie]

Who wants to get stuck with a waste management MOS. Sounds like you got lucky.

You're not getting stuck with anything, score well on the ASVAP and you can be a pilot. ;)


What if I get down there and I bomb the ASVAB and do poorly on the physical and my only option of service is to become a damn cook.

Sounds to me like you have no confidence in your abilities, the Marine Corps can help you with that. Man up, take the test, see where you stand and sign the contract, or Go Army and be all you can be.

[thewookie]

What MOS do you want?

[Texas1989]

You're not getting stuck with anything, score well on the ASVAP and you can be a pilot. ;)



Sounds to me like you have no confidence in your abilities, the Marine Corps can help you with that. Man up, take the test, see where you stand and sign the contract, or Go Army and be all you can be.

Lol I scored an 88 on the AFQT.

I don't want to go Army. If it was for the benefits and money I would go Army. I have 3 years of college credit. They would give me 2-5k and make me an E3 after book camp. It's not about that though.

I want Infantry

[Tennessee Top]

What's the AFQT?

[Burke7051]

I find it hard to believe that he used the term "get the fvck out".... you sure you aren't kinda sorta exaggerating on that one? Especially with today's military under Obama, that kinda stunt can get a recruiter in hot water if he is reported, although I doubt he would get reported.

[Texas1989]

I find it hard to believe that he used the term "get the fvck out".... you sure you aren't kinda sorta exaggerating on that one? Especially with today's military under Obama, that kinda stunt can get a recruiter in hot water if he is reported, although I doubt he would get reported.

Yeah he said "get the **** out of my office then, you are wasting my time". That's not the issue though

[Sgt Leprechaun]

I refer you to my Post #9, above.

You either want to be a Marine, or you don't. IF all that is available is Open Contract, then that's the way it is.

You can ALWAYS lat move after your first enlistment.

Not sure what, exactly, you might be looking for from us, though.

[Texas1989]

I refer you to my Post #9, above.

You either want to be a Marine, or you don't. IF all that is available is Open Contract, then that's the way it is.

You can ALWAYS lat move after your first enlistment.

Not sure what, exactly, you might be looking for from us, though.

I understand what you are saying in #9 post. I'll join as an open contract if that is the only way. Some recruiters are shady. If it open contract before MEPS is the only way that Marine recruiter will get an apology. If it's not. Then he lied to my face, and I'll just be going to a different station.

That is what I'm here to find out. I messaged afraziaaaa so we will see what I find out.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

1: I deleted your double post.

2: "Some recruiters are shady". Really? And what, pray tell, information do you have to base that opine on? Word on the street? Actual no kidding shady-ness?

The SSgt will no doubt have some straight scoop one way or the other.

[Texas1989]

1: I deleted your double post.

2: "Some recruiters are shady". Really? And what, pray tell, information do you have to base that opine on? Word on the street? Actual no kidding shady-ness?

The SSgt will no doubt have some straight scoop one way or the other.

Lol Please I'm not naive.

[Sgt Leprechaun]

Yeah? Apparently, you are making an AZZUMPTION. You have no evidence whatsoever, just 'what you heard'.

Like it or not, it's a different world. Why would some 'shady' recruiter NEED to lie to recruit someone when they are turning people away? Logically, that makes no sense.

More likely than not, based on my own information, most boatspaces are full. Infantry fills up FAST. Since you stated Infantry is ALL you want, then Open contract is the ONLY other way to have a chance at it. Doubtful, but still a chance, since people drop all the time.

The longer the year goes, the less spaces there will be. So there will be more and more Open contract enlistments. 'Take 'em, or leave 'em' will be the attitude of MOST recruiters, since that is all they'll have (unless we are talking reserves, different story). But even there, there are only so many spaces, once they are gone, they are gone.

I know for a fact, in talking to my local RS, that their mission is 1 recruit per month. ONE. That's for an office with 3 recruiters, so each one has to send ONE per month (i.e. recruit one). Waiting list, at this point, is just about a year for someone who has already graduated high school. (Immediate HS grads are different but even they have to wait a bit).

They can afford to turn people away, or tell them "This is what we have....nothing else".

[Texas1989]

Yeah? Apparently, you are making an AZZUMPTION. You have no evidence whatsoever, just 'what you heard'.

Like it or not, it's a different world. Why would some 'shady' recruiter NEED to lie to recruit someone when they are turning people away? Logically, that makes no sense.

More likely than not, based on my own information, most boatspaces are full. Infantry fills up FAST. Since you stated Infantry is ALL you want, then Open contract is the ONLY other way to have a chance at it. Doubtful, but still a chance, since people drop all the time.

The longer the year goes, the less spaces there will be. So there will be more and more Open contract enlistments. 'Take 'em, or leave 'em' will be the attitude of MOST recruiters, since that is all they'll have (unless we are talking reserves, different story). But even there, there are only so many spaces, once they are gone, they are gone.

I know for a fact, in talking to my local RS, that their mission is 1 recruit per month. ONE. That's for an office with 3 recruiters, so each one has to send ONE per month (i.e. recruit one). Waiting list, at this point, is just about a year for someone who has already graduated high school. (Immediate HS grads are different but even they have to wait a bit).

They can afford to turn people away, or tell them "This is what we have....nothing else".

Sounds like you are making an assumption about thinking I'm making an assumption.

I've heard from friends, family, Marines themselves getting screwed over by recruiters. That's not an assumption.

[haebyungdae]

If you want to be a Marine then you have to play by the Marine Corps' rules. Maybe try a different recruiter, maybe ask for clarification in a tactful manner. I know there are some Marines, just a couple maybe, that are loose with the cursing, but more than likely something provoked your recruiter into saying what he said...

I remember signing papers before going to MEPS, you go to MEPS and if you pass everything you sign more papers, then you swear in, then you go back to your recruiting station and actually submit for the three occupational programs you would like. If I recall correctly those first papers actually do state open contract.

The Marine Corps wants enlistees who, above all else, desire to be Marines. A Marine cook is no less than any other Marine. And, you have already degraded Marine cooks. So to that, I say best of luck with the Army. Just get a neck tattoo and you'll be all set.

[haebyungdae]

Recruiters being shady? Yes there was a time when that did likely happen on some minor scale, but that was while the US was still in the middle of two wars plus other operations in multiple other foreign countries; at a time when the Marine Corps desperately needed people to enlist.

That is not the case now. They no longer need to beg people to join, it's the opposite. You are going to have to bend over backwards if you want to join.

[Texas1989]

If you want to be a Marine then you have to play by the Marine Corps' rules. Maybe try a different recruiter, maybe ask for clarification in a tactful manner. I know there are some Marines, just a couple maybe, that are loose with the cursing, but more than likely something provoked your recruiter into saying what he said...

I remember signing papers before going to MEPS, you go to MEPS and if you pass everything you sign more papers, then you swear in, then you go back to your recruiting station and actually submit for the three occupational programs you would like. If I recall correctly those first papers actually do state open contract.

The Marine Corps wants enlistees who, above all else, desire to be Marines. A Marine cook is no less than any other Marine. And, you have already degraded Marine cooks. So to that, I say best of luck with the Army. Just get a neck tattoo and you'll be all set.

I do want to be a Marine above anything else. I saw an army guy on T.V. with a huge neck tattoo. Never getting one of those.

[haebyungdae]

If you want to be a Marine then get your self to the recruiting office and sign the contract and complete the necessary steps for becoming such. It is as simple as that.

You sign open contract before going to MEPS, which if you don't pass any point of MEPS is void (I know from personal experience), because you have not completed any of the steps that would prove your eligibility for any of the various occupational programs. And, if, after that point at which you pass MEPS, all they have left is open contract, then hey...you will still become a Marine.

Which, by your words, is what you want above anything else.

What were you expecting from all us Marines here? Especially, when you come in here post what you did and then proceed to degrade Marines working within food service or other jobs you deem below you, whilst also generalizing Marine recruiters as shady based strictly off word of mouth...all of this without, seemingly, taking the time to consider why things may be the way they are. Do you expect a different reaction from us?

[Texas1989]

If you want to be a Marine then get your self to the recruiting office and sign the contract and complete the necessary steps for becoming such. It is as simple as that.

You sign open contract before going to MEPS, which if you don't pass any point of MEPS is void (I know from personal experience), because you have not completed any of the steps that would prove your eligibility for any of the various occupational programs. And, if, after that point at which you pass MEPS, all they have left is open contract, then hey...you will still become a Marine.

Which, by your words, is what you want above anything else.

What were you expecting from all us Marines here? Especially, when you come in here post what you did and then proceed to degrade Marines working within food service or other jobs you deem below you, whilst also generalizing Marine recruiters as shady based strictly off word of mouth...all of this without, seemingly, taking the time to consider why things may be the way they are. Do you expect a different reaction from us?

Okay you know those cook guys don't wanna be doing that job. They probably laugh about it how much is sucks I know I would.

They probably can't wait to get a lat move out!

[m14ed]

Old Marines like myself will end up harkening back to the good old days when people joined the Marine Corps to be----Marines...We had no say in what MOS we would get, except Aviation Guaranteed. Otherwise, we had no say, not even the general field.

We joined because we wanted to, and we didn't even care what job they gave us.



Dont forget to tell the young " Educated Lad" that in our day, after the recruiter yelled for you to GTFO,, if you didn't move fast enough, he'da had his spitshined shoes up your wazoo kicking you down the hallway and out the hatch onto the civilian sidewalk you came in on....
Friggin' whining kids today , don't know how good they have it...


Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[haebyungdae]

Okay you know those cook guys don't wanna be doing that job. They probably laugh about it how much is sucks I know I would.

They probably can't wait to get a lat move out!

That assumption is wrong. And I'm done with this thread.

[Tennessee Top]

I messaged afraziaaaa so we will see what I find out.

What's the point? You assume recruiters are shady already and you don't trust them so why waste his time? Wonder what he would think about your opinion...what's the chances you told him when you asked for his help?

[Zulu 36]

Okay you know those cook guys don't wanna be doing that job. They probably laugh about it how much is sucks I know I would.

They probably can't wait to get a lat move out!

My brother enlisted in the Corps specifically to be a cook. He enjoyed it very much and now works as an assistant executive chef in the Lake Tahoe area.

Now what?

[Texas1989]

My brother enlisted in the Corps specifically to be a cook. He enjoyed it very much and now works as an assistant executive chef in the Lake Tahoe area.

Now what?

Damn you got me.

[thewookie]

And with that I think you got your answers and can now make an informed decision.

Good luck.