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sheldon91
01-11-12, 05:03 AM
Hello Marines, i'm coming to you to see if anybody has the answers to some of my questions. I'm a Lcpl currently stationed on Okinawa and trying to learn about Lat Moves. I'm wanting to make a lat move to 0321, but before you label me a ricky recon wannabe let me just explain my situation. I wanted to enlist Infantry, but didn't want to wait the 11 months until the new fiscal year. Now I'm in the air wing, and it just isn't for me. I don't like being where I am, there are Marines constanltly complaining despite how good they have it. I want to actually see the real Marine Corps that my Uncle and Grandfather both were a part which is the 03 side.

From the MARADMIN's that I've looked at regarding latmoves to 0321 it seems they are still seeking marines for the job, but im not sure if they're outdated or not. I went to the career planner, but he didn't know much because he is a temporary CRS until March. He said since the Corps is trying to slim numbers, the only lat moves that can happen are with re-enlistments. I'm in my first enlistment, so I know it will probably be difficult, but from what i've read in MARADMIN 417/07 and the most current MOS Manual, I should be able to do it.

20/15 vision 295cft 280pft CWS-I already have secret clearance, GT of 127 I'm just a damn POG so I'd have to go through ITB

Any information provided is going to be appreciated, I'm just hoping its possible for me to follow through with this and get out of the WING.

Semper Fi

BGW
01-13-12, 12:05 PM
If I recall correctly you have to be in the 03XX field in order to try to lat move to something like recon or sniper. So pretty much you kind of ****ed your self on that part by not waiting 11 months if you really wanted to go into the infantry field.

So your going to first have to try an lat move over into a entry level 03XX, then see where you can go from there. As for something like recon, I think they are bigger on physical endurance type of stuff. So a high PFT would work to your benfit more then your high GT or any other **** that they probably dont care about.

Also the Wing is awsome, better not take it for granted if or when you reach the ground side son, especially the grunts.

Marine1955
01-13-12, 01:22 PM
If I recall correctly you have to be in the 03XX field in order to try to lat move to something like recon or sniper. So pretty much you kind of ****ed your self on that part by not waiting 11 months if you really wanted to go into the infantry field.

So your going to first have to try an lat move over into a entry level 03XX, then see where you can go from there. As for something like recon, I think they are bigger on physical endurance type of stuff. So a high PFT would work to your benfit more then your high GT or any other **** that they probably dont care about.

Also the Wing is awsome, better not take it for granted if or when you reach the ground side son, especially the grunts.


Nothing like swinging in the wing so don't knock it cowboy..

Yonkers
01-13-12, 03:40 PM
What are you doing on foster and kadena if you're in the wing?

EastofWest18
01-13-12, 03:41 PM
I checked the Maradmin's, and this was the most recent one that I could find. It is titled "RECONNAISSANCE MARINE LATERAL MOVE POLICY"

http://www.marines.mil/news/messages/Pages/MARADMIN0412-09.aspx
1. THIS MARADMIN OUTLINES UPDATED REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LATERAL MOVE (LATMOVE) OF ENLISTED MARINES INTO MOS 0321. MARINES THAT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE FOUND QUALIFIED TO ATTEND THE BASIC RECONNAISSANCE COURSE (BRC), SCHOOL OF INFANTRY WEST (SOI-W), RECONNAISSANCE TRAINING COMPANY, CAMP PENDLETON, CALIFORNIA. IF APPROVED BY CMC (MMEA) TO CONDUCT A LATERAL MOVE AND UPON GRADUATION OF BRC, THE PRIMARY MILITARY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY (MOS) OF 0321 RECONNAISSANCE MARINE WILL BE AWARDED. CMC (MMEA) CONTINUES TO SEEK MARINES FOR LATMOVE TO PMOS 0321, RECONNAISSANCE MARINE. MARINE CORPS END STRENGTH INCREASES REQUIRE ADDITIONAL 0321 RECONNAISSANCE MARINES TO MEET OUR CORPS' GROUND RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS. TO ADDRESS FUTURE SHORTFALLS, CMC (MMEA) IS ENCOURAGING ALL INTERESTED AND QUALIFIED MARINES TO REQUEST A LATERAL MOVE INTO PMOS 0321, RECONNAISSANCE MARINE.
2. PROCESS:
A. ENLISTED MARINES IN ANY MOS, IN THE GRADES OF E1 TO E4, AS WELL AS E5 WITH LESS THAN 2 YEARS TIME IN GRADE, CAN APPLY FOR A LATERAL MOVE TO MOS 0321. AT THIS TIME THE 0321 MOS IS CLOSED TO LATERAL MOVES FOR SSGT AND ABOVE. FIRST TERM MARINES WITH UP TO 3 YEARS OF REMAINING OBLIGATED SERVICE MUST SUBMIT LATERAL MOVE REQUESTS TO CMC (MMEA-6) THROUGH THEIR CAREER RETENTION SPECIALIST (CRS). CAREER MARINES IN THE PAY GRADES OF E4-E5 WITH 3 THROUGH 8 YEARS OF SERVICE WHO DESIRE TO LATMOVE, MUST ALSO SUBMIT A REQUEST THROUGH THEIR CRS. FIRST TERM MARINES WHO LATMOVE ARE ONLY ENTITLED TO A SELECTIVE REENLISTMENT BONUS (SRB) IF THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REENLIST TO GAIN OBLIGATED SERVICE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A LATMOVE. SRB PAYMENTS WILL BE MADE UPON SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE SOI-W, BASIC RECONNAISSANCE COURSE. CAREER MARINES DO NOT RATE A SRB FOR LATMOVE. MARINES THAT FAIL TO COMPLETE TRAINING WILL BE RECLASSIFIED/REASSIGNED ACCORDING TO THE NEEDS OF THE MARINE CORPS.
B. MARINES APPROVED FOR A LATERAL MOVE MUST HAVE AT LEAST 24 MONTHS OBLIGATED SERVICE UPON GRADUATION FROM THE BASIC RECONNAISSANCE COURSE.
C. MARINES STABILIZED FOR DEPLOYMENT WILL NOT BE ASSIGNED A SCHOOL SEAT UNTIL AFTER THEY RETURN FROM DEPLOYMENT.
D. MARINES APPROVED FOR LATERAL MOVE FROM OCCUPATIONAL FIELDS OTHER THAN INFANTRY (03XX) WILL BE REQUIRED TO FIRST GRADUATE THE (0300) BASIC INFANTRYMAN COURSE (CID M10HDG2 OR M03HDG4) FOLLOWED BY THE (0311) INFANTRY RIFLEMAN COURSE (CID M100312 OR M030314). COMMANDERS MAY SUBMIT A REQUEST TO DC M&RA (MMEA-6/RAP) VIA DC PP&O (POG-26) TO WAIVE THIS REQUIREMENT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
3. ELIGIBILITY PREREQUISITES:
A. MALE.
B. U.S. CITIZEN.
C. GT SCORE OF 105 OR HIGHER.
D. CWS-2 SWIM QUALIFICATION OR HIGHER.
E. SCORE 225 OR HIGHER ON THE PFT.
F. NORMAL COLOR VISION. IF MARINE CANNOT PASS PIP OR FALANT TEST FOR COLOR VISION HE MUST BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY VIVID RED AND/OR VIVID GREEN AS PROJECTED BY THE OPHTHALMOLOGICAL PROJECTOR OR STEREOSCOPE VISION TESTING (SVT).
G. VISUAL ACUITY. CORRECTED VISION MUST BE CORRECTABLE TO 20/20 IN ONE EYE AND 20/100 IN THE OTHER EYE WITHIN 8 DIOPTERS OF PLUS OR MINUS REFRACTIVE ERROR. PERSONNEL WHO DO NOT MEET THE VISUAL ACUITY STANDARDS BUT WHO HAVE A COMPLETED FAVORABLE REFRACTIVE SURGERY CONSULT CONDUCTED BY A DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE OPTOMETRIST WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
H. SECURITY CLEARANCE. MUST BE ELIGIBLE FOR A SECRET CLEARANCE.
I. LETTER FROM COMMAND SECURITY MANAGER IS REQUIRED WITH SUBMISSION OF LATMOVE REQUEST.
J. RESPIRATORY HEALTH. MUST BE FREE OF ALL UPPER RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS AND EAR, NOSE, AND SKIN DISORDERS WHICH MIGHT PRECLUDE A MARINE FROM PARTICIPATING IN PROLONGED TRAINING IN SALT WATER.
K. MUSCULOSKELETAL HEALTH. MUST BE FREE FROM INJURIES TO THE ANKLES, KNEES, BACK, AND SHOULDERS WHICH MIGHT PRECLUDE PARTICIPATING IN FIELD TRAINING AND NORMAL PHYSICAL FITNESS TRAINING.
L. MARINE MUST BE MEDICALLY AND PHYSICALLY QUALIFIED TO PARTICIPATE IN ARDUOUS PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES AND TRAINING.
M. MARINES WHO DO NOT MEET MARINE CORPS BODY COMPOSITION STANDARDS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR LATERAL MOVE INTO MOS 0321.
4. MARINES ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED TO PASS A RECONNAISSANCE SCREENING CONDUCTED BY A RECONNAISSANCE UNIT. HOWEVER, PRIOR TO GRADUATION FROM THE BASIC RECONNAISSANCE COURSE, MARINES WILL BE REQUIRED TO ACHIEVE A FIRST CLASS PFT AND TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE ALL RECONNAISSANCE MARINE COMBAT WATER SURVIVAL TRAINING STANDARDS.
5. MARINES NOT MEETING THE PREREQUISITE GT OF 105 ARE ENCOURAGED TO RETAKE THE ASVAB TO INCREASE THEIR GT SCORE. WAIVER GRANTING AUTHORITY RESIDES WITH DC, PP&O (POG-26). MARINES WHO DO NOT POSSESS A 105 GT, BUT ARE OTHERWISE QUALIFIED, CAN REQUEST A WAIVER FROM DC PP&O (POG-26) ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (NOT TO EXCEED 5 POINTS).
6. LATERAL MOVE REQUESTS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED VIA THE UNIT CAREER RETENTION SPECIALIST. CRS'S ARE DIRECTED TO SUBMIT LATERAL MOVE RELMS VIA TOTAL FORCE RETENTION SYSTEM (TFRS). THE DOCUMENTS LISTED BELOW WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE REENLISTMENT LATERAL MOVE PACKAGE (RELM) IN ADOBE PDF FORMAT.
A. SCREEN CAPTURES FROM MARINE CORPS TOTAL FORCE SYSTEM (MCTFS) OF THE FOLLOWING PAGES: D113, D119, D902, D904.
B. SRB PAGES: PAGE 11, PAGE 12, ANY UPBS.
C. MEDICAL RECORDS: DD 2807, DD 2808, SF 600S THAT PERTAIN TO ANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT MAY BE DISQUALIFYING AS OUTLINED BY REFERENCES C AND D.
7. APPLICANTS' RECORDS WILL BE REVIEWED AT CMC (MMEA) AND FINAL APPROVAL/DISAPPROVAL WILL BE PROVIDED BY SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE. IF ACCEPTED, CMC (MMEA) WILL ASSIGN EACH APPROVED MARINE A CLASS SEAT AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE BRC COURSE AND IF APPLICABLE, THE BASIC INFANTRYMAN COURSE AND THE INFANTRY RIFLEMAN COURSE. MARINES IN THE SAME GEOLOCATION AS SOI WEST WILL RECEIVE TAD NO COST ORDERS TO ATTEND TRAINING. MARINES FROM OTHER AREAS WILL RECEIVE FUNDED ORDERS. UPON GRADUATION OF BRC, MARINES WILL BE ASSIGNED TO A RECONNAISSANCE UNIT PER THE NEEDS OF THE MARINE CORPS.
8. COMMANDERS AND UNIT LEADERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MARADMIN.
9. THIS MARADMIN CANCELS MARADMIN 417/07.
10. THIS MARADMIN IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE MARINE CORPS RESERVE.
11. RELEASE AUTHORIZED BY MR. C. F. SWAIN, DIRECTOR, MANPOWER MANAGEMENT DIVISION, (ACTING).//

elliscraig12
01-13-12, 04:22 PM
Nothing like swinging in the wing so don't knock it cowboy..
I spent 8 of my 10 years with the wing, 1 year each at 3rd med and TBS. Of all the places Ive been to I loved being with the wing, some squadrons were more like a fraternity than a military unit. Keep in mind though, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

sheldon91
01-14-12, 07:58 AM
Well, thanks for all the replies. I know you're trying to look out by convincing me not to leave the wing, but Im still going for it. I know it isn't required to be in the 03 field, it's just one more step I'll have to take. More than anything I'm just wondering about the Lat move aspect of it.

BGW
01-14-12, 10:21 AM
No one here is trying to convince you to stay in the wing, the point was that you shouldnt talk **** about it.

I also was unaware that any Marine from any MOS can lat move straight into recon.
Lol I always heard that you have to be in a 03xx field first before you can even try to lat move to recon. Maybe thats just sniper mos?

Sgt Leprechaun
01-16-12, 05:23 PM
Talk to your career planner, that would be the first thing I'd do. But, yeah, ANY Marine can try out these days.

BGW, I think that's just sniper, but I could be wrong.

blackshirts
01-16-12, 06:17 PM
They changed it due to it being a critical MOS.

Get er done, stud. If I could swim and run excellent, I'd be all about it.

sheldon91
01-17-12, 04:31 PM
Thanks for all the input, it was very helpful. I'm going to the other career planner soon and I'll see what he says.

Apache
01-17-12, 09:07 PM
Use caution what you wish for grasshopper

Tennessee Top
01-17-12, 10:04 PM
What are you doing on foster and kadena if you're in the wing?

When I was with the Marine Wing Headquarters Squadron-1, we were located at Camp Foster mainside. We worked at the Wing Headquarters (bldg 1) located at either Camp Butler or Camp Zukeran up on the hill (had to take the shuttle bus to work and the chow hall from our barracks).

Last time I was there (1990), they were talking about relocating the Wing Headquarters to the air station out at Futenma. Anybody know if they ever did that (just curious)?

sheldon91
01-19-12, 03:35 AM
MWHS-1 is still located on Camp Foster. I'm not sure which building though.

FaDeD
01-20-12, 10:07 AM
If I recall correctly you have to be in the 03XX field in order to try to lat move to something like recon or sniper. So pretty much you kind of ****ed your self on that part by not waiting 11 months if you really wanted to go into the infantry field.

So your going to first have to try an lat move over into a entry level 03XX, then see where you can go from there. As for something like recon, I think they are bigger on physical endurance type of stuff. So a high PFT would work to your benfit more then your high GT or any other **** that they probably dont care about.

Also the Wing is awsome, better not take it for granted if or when you reach the ground side son, especially the grunts.

Wrong, you can be any mos and go to recon indoc and. There are snipers in military police as well.

BGW
01-20-12, 04:44 PM
Wrong, you can be any mos and go to recon indoc and. There are snipers in military police as well.



I also was unaware that any Marine from any MOS can lat move straight into recon.
Lol I always heard that you have to be in a 03xx field first before you can even try to lat move to recon. Maybe thats just sniper mos?

It never hurts to actually read through the whole thread you lazy bastard. As you can see it was already addressed by another fine post. Not mine but the other one.

Apache
01-20-12, 06:41 PM
It never hurts to actually read through the whole thread you lazy bastard. As you can see it was already addressed by another fine post. Not mine but the other one.

BGW
Name calling not necessary ----

BGW
01-20-12, 08:20 PM
Your right, I took an offense to the way he said it.

Sgt Leprechaun
01-20-12, 09:34 PM
"Remember to be courteous and respectful"

Consider Apache's (and now mine) official cautions in this matter.

fisher43
01-25-12, 09:39 AM
No mp's cannot b snipers....they can however become designated marksman wich comes with the completion of a two week course

SBYates
01-26-12, 04:28 AM
You don't have to go Recon to get some, you might want to think about...EOD, CI. I wanted to latmove to 0211 Counter-Intelligence, but the wife nix that. lol

http://signatures.myarmedforces.com/images/14/32675/military_signature.png?1327568218 (http://profile.myarmedforces.com/index.php?action=profile&profileID=32675#)

FaDeD
01-29-12, 06:17 PM
No mp's cannot b snipers....they can however become designated marksman wich comes with the completion of a two week course



http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/mcb/topStorympsniper.asp

Wrong. I think I know what I'm talking about I was the dm plt leader for my company.

5811's can go to the same course as the 03's however schoolseats are usually taken for 03s as priority