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TaylorWebb
05-20-11, 12:58 AM
Alright I am new to all of this! My fiance's MOS is 5800 and I would just like to know the difference between 5800 and 5811? Any information would be great! I can't exactly ask him right now since he is gone to Parris Island!

Semper Fi to all of you brave Marines! :D

EchoFifeSerria
05-20-11, 01:33 AM
My down and dirty answer is...
5800 is the BASIC military police and corrections MOS, this is kind of a "knock around" MOS code, he can either work as a cop or in the brig as a guard. As 5811, is a military police Marine only.
I could be wrong, it has been a few years since I was in.

silverdollar
05-20-11, 07:19 AM
Alright I am new to all of this! My fiance's MOS is 5800 and I would just like to know the difference between 5800 and 5811? Any information would be great! I can't exactly ask him right now since he is gone to Parris Island!

Semper Fi to all of you brave Marines! :D


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USNAviator
05-20-11, 07:33 AM
5800 is just the general code number. The MOS begins with 5811



MOS 5811 - - Military Police


Type of MOS (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/mosdef.htm) : PMOS
Rank (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blenlrank.htm) Range: MGySgt to Pvt
Job Description: Military police perform assigned mi:itary law enforcement duties to uphold the criminal justice system, maintain good order and discipline, and support the commander's law enforcement and security requirements in peacetime and combat operations. Typical duties include foot and motorized patrol, control of pedestrian and vehicular traffic, flight line security, crime prevention/physical security, desk sergeant, communications dispatcher, squad leader, operations sergeant, platoon sergeant, and provost sergeant billets. MOS 5811 is very demanding in that the military police are confronted with every form of violation and criminal liability, misdemeanor through felony.
Job Requirements:
(1) Must possess a GT score (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/asvab.htm) of 100 or higher {not waiverable) .
(2) Training and certification:



(a) Active duty Marines must complete the Law Enforcement Military Police (MP) Course at the United States Army Military Police School (USAMPS).
(b) Prior service Reserve Marines, non-MOS qualified, may be certified for MOS 5811 also by attending the MP Course, or if unable to attend the regular MP Course, they may be certified as an AMOS-only, by the unit commander upon successful completion of the Alternate Training Instructional Program (ATIP) of Marine Force Reserves. The ATIP for MOS 5811 consists of all of the following: serving 6 months in a Reserve MP billet; successful completion of Military Police Course (Reserve), Phase I and II of the Army School System (TASS), demonstrated proficiency of Individual Training Standards (core tasks for MOS 5811) as outlined in Marine Corps Order 1510.86C; and favorable endorsement by an MP Inspector-Instructor. As described in COMMARFORRES Order 1535.1, some core tasks, which are not acquired at the TASS course, can be accomplished/demonstrated through Managed On-Job-Training (MOJT) .

(3) Must be eligible for a secret security clearance (http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/security.htm).
(4) Must have normal color vision (not waiverable).
(5) Must be 19 years old prior to completion of formal school (not waiverable) .
(6) Must have a minimum height of 65 inches with weight in proportion (waiverable to 62 inches).
(7) Must be a U.S. citizen.
(8) Must have valid state driver's license (not waiverable).
(9) Must have vision correctable to 20/20.
(10) Must possess clarity of speech.
(11) Must have no history of mental, nervous, or emotional disorders (not waiverable) .
(12) No convictions by special or general courts-martial or civil courts (except minor traffic violations); no nonjudicial punishment (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/article15.htm) convictions involving illegal drugs, spouse abuse/domestic violence, or immoral character (not waiverable) .

USNAviator
05-20-11, 07:40 AM
THese are all the MOS under the 5800 code

5811 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5811new.htm) -- Military Police
5812 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5812.htm) --Working Dog Handler
5813 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5813.htm) --Accident Investigator
5814 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5814.htm) --Physical Security Specialist
5816 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5816.htm) --Special Reaction Team (3RT) Member
5819 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5819.htm) --Military Police Investigator (MPI)
5821 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5821.htm) --Criminal Investigator CID Agent
5822 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5822.htm) --Forensic Psycho-physiologist (Polygraph Examiner)
5831 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5831.htm) --Correctional Specialist
5832 (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjo2/a/5832.htm) --Correctional Counselor

kenrobg30
05-20-11, 08:09 AM
You're too late SD, DAN jumped to the head of the line, as usual. When He gives an answer, He gives an answer!!! ;) S/F!! Ken Oh, by the way, welcome to Bedlam Young lady.

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Another bot?????

Mistybluelady
05-20-11, 10:12 AM
Another bot?????

Looks to be so........

And taylor you have a lot of questions ,, I think 3 or 4 different threads... why dont you just group them altogether girl.....

TaylorWebb
05-21-11, 12:36 AM
Im sorry, like I said Im very new to all of this and my first question "worried soon to be wife" no idea because I didn't ask that. Sorry.

TaylorWebb
05-21-11, 12:38 AM
Thanks :D

Marine1011
05-21-11, 10:47 AM
Im not necesssarily advocating this but some folks go to PI, look in thru the fence and see their loved ones and sort of follow em thru recruit training that way, so they won't have to worry about separation, but the gate guards there can tell you all about the MOS thing in detail while you are just observing.
I think learning all about things way before they happen is a good idea, that way it is all planned out and there are no, well, scary things about being separated for 8 or 9 weeks, which is actually an eternity, as those things go.
I'm not kidding about the observation from the fence line, it happens, not for the whole training but certainly for big parts of it

advanced
05-23-11, 06:17 AM
How things have changed in 40+ years. When I was an MP there was no MOS for it, I volunteered for it. My training consisted of a half day of training. I drove the patrol truck for the base housing, the fox in the henhouse. We were squared away, sharp and did good work.

SgtJane08
05-23-11, 02:18 PM
I'm relatively new to the forum but I noticed that Semper Fi was used by the one who began this thread and I wondered if she knows that that is used only by those who are Marines? I just noticed this while perusing this section and wondered.

USNAviator
05-23-11, 02:29 PM
Agreed, Jane---a small point to some, but our military customs and courtesies are important. Thanks for pointing that out, had not noticed it before.


Same here Dave. I would never say it nor have I. To me it's for Marines and Marines only not civilians of any type. It's something that is earned

Lisa 23
05-23-11, 02:32 PM
I'm relatively new to the forum but I noticed that Semper Fi was used by the one who began this thread and I wondered if she knows that that is used only by those who are Marines? I just noticed this while perusing this section and wondered.
:thumbup:


Same here Dave. I would never say it nor have I. To me it's for Marines and Marines only not civilians of any type. It's something that is earned
:thumbup:

kenrobg30
05-23-11, 02:42 PM
When i post a reply to DAN. or to one off our DOCS, I've developed the habit of Writing. lomng form or short form, "Fair Winds, and Folowing Seas. It is done with respect for the people i send it to. Should I stop sending this Salutation, because i'm not a Sailor? Just wondering. Fair Winds DAN, and Sempre Fidelis to you Dave.
Ken

USNAviator
05-23-11, 02:50 PM
When i post a reply to DAN. or to one off our DOCS, I've developed the habit of Writing. lomng form or short form, "Fair Winds, and Folowing Seas. It is done with respect for the people i send it to. Should I stop sending this Salutation, because i'm not a Sailor? Just wondering. Fair Winds DAN, and Sempre Fidelis to you Dave.
Ken

Ken if you do I'll see to that long over due promotion to E-5 gets lost in channels.......:D

You have shown nothing but respect for me and others on here sir


Fair winds Ken

kenrobg30
05-23-11, 02:56 PM
Ken if you do I'll see to that long over due promotion to E-5 gets lost in channels.......:D

You have shown nothing but respect for me and others on here sir


Fair winds Ken

Watch your language tere WebFoot!! Fair Winds Dan, and please SIR, I've waited a long time for that stripe. :cry: S/F!! Ken

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:04 PM
Watch your language tere WebFoot!! Fair Winds Dan, and please SIR, I've waited a long time for that stripe. :cry: S/F!! Ken

Ken it's only been about 60 years. You know how slow promotions come in the Corps.

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:12 PM
Dave let me ask you a question. Taylor said she's a Marine spouse but she's not married to a Marine. Is she really a Marine spouse? BTW she said this on other posts not on this one!

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:14 PM
Sounds like a trick legal question on a bar exam, Dan.

We should probably leave the bar questions for Joe

Lisa 23
05-23-11, 03:16 PM
Alright I am new to all of this! My fiance's MOS is 5800 and I would just like to know the difference between 5800 and 5811? Any information would be great! I can't exactly ask him right now since he is gone to Parris Island!

Semper Fi to all of you brave Marines! :D


Dave let me ask you a question. Taylor said she's a Marine spouse but she's not married to a Marine. Is she really a Marine spouse? BTW she said this on other posts not on this one!



In no way, am I being rude by saying this.......just pointing this out.

Currently, he's only a recruit........still at boot camp.
So...no, she's not a Marine Spouse.

kenrobg30
05-23-11, 03:18 PM
Ken, we'll take him to court if you don't get promoted.
We really won't, but everyone threatens court nowadays so you and I may as well too

I gotta tell you Dave, when I was a PFC. my records got lost, so they came around and asked me what my rank was, so I said Corporal. they took my word for it, then found out I had streched the truth a little. I've been a Cpl ever since, except when i took the Colonels place , keeping an eye on the battalion, while he was taking a bath. No kidding!! Would I lie to You??? :beer: S/F!! ken

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:19 PM
In no way, am I being rude by saying this.......just pointing this out.

Currently, he's only a recruit........still at boot camp.
So...no, she's not a Marine Spouse.

I didn't think so Lisa. But she does mention it a few times in other threads. I was just curious. And no you're being rude, whatever gave you that idea?

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:21 PM
I gotta tell you Dave, when I was a PFC. my records got lost, so they came around and asked me what my rank was, so I said Corporal. they took my word for it, then found out I had streched the truth a little. I've been a Cpl ever since, except when i took the Colonels place , keeping an eye on the battalion, while he was taking a bath. No kidding!! Would I lie to You??? :beer: S/F!! ken

So in reality you're a Corporal Colonel. A very rare rank indeed!!

kenrobg30
05-23-11, 03:25 PM
So in reality you're a Corporal Colonel. A very rare rank indeed!!

Awe, Gee FEllas, you're making me blush. :confused: S/F!!

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:27 PM
Awe, Gee FEllas, you're making me blush. :confused: S/F!!


Ken you even out rank a Zoomie JAG. Of course so do Seeing Eye dogs but no sense go there

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:34 PM
Another hijacked, derailed thread. E pluribus unum


Veni vidi vici, y'all

Don't look at me it was all Ken's fault bellyaching about his lost stripe

USNAviator
05-23-11, 03:36 PM
A Southern Caesar

That's a type of salad we have here in Virginia

kenrobg30
05-23-11, 05:07 PM
That's a type of salad we have here in Virginia

I ate some of that stuff when I went to see the MC museum. The guards at the NY State line made me get decontaminated, before they'd let me go home. I think it was that cheap, disgusting Virginia Moonshine they used for dressing. It made all of my teeth fall out. Can you imagine, a young guy like me, having to wear chin china? I wonder, is that what makes you walk so funny DAN? Dave says, when he was walking with you, Yuo kept leaning toward him, like you wanted to whisper in his ear. Were you trying to tell him where you hid my stripes? :confused: Fair Winds. Ken

advanced
05-23-11, 08:34 PM
To get back on track - did anyone have a bar question, I forgot.

USNAviator
05-23-11, 08:57 PM
To get back on track - did anyone have a bar question, I forgot.

Russ perhaps you should have spent more time reading the criteria for posting #5000. Amnesia is one of the side affects. But congrats of your fabulous achievement. I'll post again tomorrow because you'll forget what I'm talking about