View Full Version : Gays in My Marine Corps?
jp2usmc
04-19-11, 11:38 AM
I know it has been approved by our Congress, but that was not the case while I was in.
It just seems like a very bad idea. Men and Women were housed separately to prevent "fooling around" as nature took its course.
Rooming a heterosexual and a homosexual together is a bad idea, as is rooming two homosexuals together. I don't even know how one would go about separating homosexuals, unless each was given a private room and latrine.
If there are gays openly serving in My Marine Corps, how are they dealt with?
I'm not asking for anyone to bash or support anyone. I am just trying to wrap my mind around how My Marine Corps has had to change to accommodated individuals who have chosen a homosexual lifestyle.
I don't think they are really changing. When I was in the repeal training, it seems as it will just go on as usual. Men with men, women with women. They said if you refuse to work with them, i.e. a recruiter refusing to sign up a gay person, then you are in the wrong. I don't know if you could use religious reasons to get out of a room with them though.
Honestly, I don't think they truely know how everything will work out. Trial and error seems to be my best guess.
Old Marine
04-19-11, 11:58 AM
There have been homos in the Corps for years and years. They will now be out of the closet. I do not expect they will be having Gay Pride Parades anywhere on the base. If they are not bothered and are not coming on to the straight Marines, life in the Corps will go on as usual. So in the long run, nothing has changed.
TheReservist
04-19-11, 12:02 PM
It's your Marine Corps Chesty??? How about it's All Marines Marine Corps
jp2usmc
04-19-11, 12:15 PM
I understand gays have been in My Marine Corps for years, but before a rack mate would never make a pass at another. I just don't see how it is going to play out, now.
@Reservist: All Marines Marine Corps implies I'm going to sit on my laurels and wait for someone else to do the work. My Marine Corps implies I take ownership of it, and I am proud of it.
TheReservist
04-19-11, 12:50 PM
All Marines means to me that every Marine has to pull their weight, regardless of sex, race, religion, or even sexuality everyone who earned it wears US Marines on their chest.
So I don't know what type of Corps you were in but in the Marine Corps that I was in, everybody did the job.
I highly doubt they will just run around and make passes at each other. Will they think about it? Maybe. After months away from home and women, I thought about some of our female counterparts myself. Same thing, really. If they hit on you, just tell your EO rep. It will get solved.
hillbillyjar
04-19-11, 01:17 PM
There have been homos in the Corps for years and years. They will now be out of the closet. I do not expect they will be having Gay Pride Parades anywhere on the base. If they are not bothered and are not coming on to the straight Marines, life in the Corps will go on as usual. So in the long run, nothing has changed.
Exactly.
I don't understand what the big stink is all about.
@OldMarine "I do not expect they will be having Gay Pride Parades anywhere on the base." Pink tanks and amphibs as floats would probably be frowned on heavily.:)
Before DADT was thrown out...if a couple of dudes or a couple of women were caught doing the dirty... they were packed off and given a undesirable discharge. Now... I guess if they get caught on...
iamspartacus
04-19-11, 01:32 PM
If they hit on you, just tell your EO rep. It will get solved.
This is a good point to make. Just because homosexuals are in the military (even openly) does not mean they're going to be hitting on every guy they see. If they do, that's sexual harassment. And the Corps will deal with it just like a straight guy hitting on a straight girl.
And I don't really understand the "religious" argument against homosexuals not being allowed to serve either. I am even a Christian and, personally, don't support homosexuality. But you know what? I also do not support pre-marital sex. I don't support guys having sex with any female they can while they're TAD or on libo. I would assume most people who think homosexuality is morally wrong would also agree that these examples are wrong too. But where is the uproar to ban such civilians from the Marine Corps? There appears to be a double standard in tolerance level for this argument.
I do, however, see a problem with having a straight guy and a gay guy living in the same barracks room or squad bay. To me, it is the same as having a straight male and a straight female living in similar situations. And I don't really have a solution for it.
Politically, I would side with most libertarian viewpoints. Which is basically, "I don't care how you live your life, as long as it doesn't effect me". Do I care if you don't want to wear your seat belt and risk flying through your windshield in the event of a wreck? No. It doesn't concern me. I would suggest that you do wear your seat belt, but if you choose not to, more power to you. Do I care if you want to have sex with people of the same gender in your private residence? No. It doesn't concern me. Do I think you shouldn't do it? Yes. But at the end of the day I don't think the government should be passing moral laws that tell people how to live their life (again, provided it's not effecting anyone else).
If I were a decision maker on this issue, I would be torn. On one hand, I do think they should have the right to serve their country and be who they are. On the other, I just can't figure out the housing situation. We'd have to give every Marine BAH to get a house/apartment of their own or their own hooch for out in the field. Just don't know how that would work.
jp2usmc
04-19-11, 01:43 PM
I do, however, see a problem with having a straight guy and a gay guy living in the same barracks room or squad bay. To me, it is the same as having a straight male and a straight female living in similar situations. And I don't really have a solution for it.
A+. That's the sort of thing that needed to be presented to the judges on the bench when they were voting.
I'm not against gays, but if I were in a squad bay walking to take a shower and a known gay guy kept starring at me, I get to a chapter of my life that I don't know what I'd really do. Be a little tattle-tail and tell my CO or get violent?
I agree that I wouldn't want to have to live with a homosexual. It would just be awkward for me. I also don't want to have to shower with them, in the case of deployment showers, training showers, etc where it's an open area. It would just make me uncomfortable. I assume that is why males don't shower with females. That being said, I do not support wasting funds to build new buildings/etc. The DoD overspends as it is. Just like you guys, I don't know of a solution.
doc h fmf
04-19-11, 02:20 PM
islept on my back and hands over my privates i was a lite sleeper anyway so noone could slip in a bj
SEMPER FI MY BROTHERS
stephen doc hansen hm3 FMF
I agree that I wouldn't want to have to live with a homosexual. It would just be awkward for me. I also don't want to have to shower with them, in the case of deployment showers, training showers, etc where it's an open area. It would just make me uncomfortable. I assume that is why males don't shower with females. That being said, I do not support wasting funds to build new buildings/etc. The DoD overspends as it is. Just like you guys, I don't know of a solution.
They are not a special minority in the racial sense, they are perverts and should not be allowed to serve in a military setting period !
Common sense dictates you do not convenience the minority over the majority.
I think the last 60 years of so called "equality" has proven that over and over, now it will play itself out with peoples well being on the line to prove an unprovable P.C. point. Just as the left is purposely destroying our Economy/they are destroying our moral compass as well. Wake up people !!
Sterling Mace
04-19-11, 03:02 PM
I don't even know how one would go about separating homosexuals
With a crowbar, son.
I'm not trying to plug my book, Marines. But the subject is touched upon in my book. I'm not even sure we had a word for them back in my day. Maybe sissies or "kinda queer."
But it's always been around. We know this.
At the end of the day, people are just people. That's it. Time and too much time on people's hands have made an issue of it these days.
Sterling G. Mace
iamspartacus
04-19-11, 03:06 PM
they are perverts
That is quite a blanket statement... and a statement that is just as true for straight people no less. Let's try to at least keep this conversation civilized and educated.
AKA HITMAN
04-19-11, 03:12 PM
Gay Men and Women have just as much right as you and I to serve their country. I'm sure they don't sign up for the wrong reasons that some of you are scared of. They have the same honor as you or myself...if their lifestyle doesn't fit your description of whats right, look the other way. Gay members in my family are just that.... my family, I could give a shat less what they do behind closed doors or in public....straight people for the most part are the obscene ones. Yeah, I'm straight BTW.....
FistFu68
04-19-11, 04:17 PM
:evilgrin: Gotta admit,that Rockape up there on Hill 1192 did look awfully temptin' after I put a grass Skirt on that Harry Little Bastard,was gonna drill Him in His 6,But had too go out on another Killer Team :mad: With all Due Respect :marine:
jalopez101
04-19-11, 04:35 PM
They are not a special minority in the racial sense, they are perverts and should not be allowed to serve in a military setting period !!!
That's a very negative and uneducated thing to say. Tell it to Sgt Eric Alva (a gay) who on March 21st, 2003 become the first WIA of the Iraq War when he stepped on a landmine. I think he's served his time and done a lot more then most on this forum who give their "educated" guesses on gays in the Marine's after serving their 2+ years in admin during peace time 20+yrs ago. I've seen a few other really locked on Marines who were gay and didn't complain despite us making fun of LGBT types, calling them of homo's, queers, gays etc (but never directing it at them, just saying shlt in general). It's a one way street for them because we make fun of them but they (for the most part) don't report it or complain.
I don't agree with gays for one reason and one reason only: why wouldn't they want some good ol' pussy action vs the alternative? Other then that, I don't have a problem with them as they're humans and it's their choice (kinda like that freedom thing we defend in the Corps).
We're Marines and have been given orders, so we take em and run with it.
Marine84
04-19-11, 06:41 PM
:evilgrin: Gotta admit,that Rockape up there on Hill 1192 did look awfully temptin' after I put a grass Skirt on that Harry Little Bastard,was gonna drill Him in His 6,But had too go out on another Killer Team :mad: With all Due Respect :marine:
LMAO over here! You are one more sick puppy - LOL!
That's a very negative and uneducated thing to say. Tell it to Sgt Eric Alva (a gay) who on March 21st, 2003 become the first WIA of the Iraq War when he stepped on a landmine. I think he's served his time and done a lot more then most on this forum who give their "educated" guesses on gays in the Marine's after serving their 2+ years in admin during peace time 20+yrs ago. I've seen a few other really locked on Marines who were gay and didn't complain despite us making fun of LGBT types, calling them of homo's, queers, gays etc (but never directing it at them, just saying shlt in general). It's a one way street for them because we make fun of them but they (for the most part) don't report it or complain.
I don't agree with gays for one reason and one reason only: why wouldn't they want some good ol' pussy action vs the alternative? Other then that, I don't have a problem with them as they're humans and it's their choice (kinda like that freedom thing we defend in the Corps).
We're Marines and have been given orders, so we take em and run with it.
how about having a brother who died from Aids ? Think I am still just guessing ? ya pompous little twit ! 23 boy you still know it all HUH ??
My brother and I talked quite a bit about his homosexual perversion, did I love him ? of course he was my brother !
Do I agree with his former life style ? Absolutely not ! And he paid for it with his life at a young age.
You young guys are so brainwashed (braindead) it makes me want to puke ! ya been taught by these perverts all your life in school/college where ever there is a movie or T.V. its another life style ! Its a perversion no less then a pedophile. but hey just like you ! I am entitled to my own opinion, so don't be trying to knock what I think .
Heck ! I have Grey chest hairs older and smarter then most of you 20 somethings !
So your a big time war hero or something because you got ORDERED to war, I was a lucky one and didn't go to Nam, so does that make my service less then yours ?
As for the Marine who got killed, that is an awful shame ! I morn for his family.
Thanx for your service ! Even though you think mine wasn't worthy :p
hillbillyjar
04-19-11, 07:30 PM
I think my big question is, did you trust that Marine BEFORE you knew he or she was homosexual?
If you did, then what the **** is the issue? If you didn't, then what the **** changed?
Tun Tavern
04-19-11, 07:37 PM
That's a very negative and uneducated thing to say. Tell it to Sgt Eric Alva (a gay) who on March 21st, 2003 become the first WIA of the Iraq War when he stepped on a landmine. I think he's served his time and done a lot more then most on this forum who give their "educated" guesses on gays in the Marine's after serving their 2+ years in admin during peace time 20+yrs ago. I've seen a few other really locked on Marines who were gay and didn't complain despite us making fun of LGBT types, calling them of homo's, queers, gays etc (but never directing it at them, just saying shlt in general). It's a one way street for them because we make fun of them but they (for the most part) don't report it or complain.
I don't agree with gays for one reason and one reason only: why wouldn't they want some good ol' pussy action vs the alternative? Other then that, I don't have a problem with them as they're humans and it's their choice (kinda like that freedom thing we defend in the Corps).
We're Marines and have been given orders, so we take em and run with it.
Interesting that you view his opinion on gays serving as uneducated when your view of women serving is just as ignorant.
jalopez101
04-19-11, 08:07 PM
GKMOZ, First, I'm sorry to hear that about your brother, I really am. Second, I don't see how your brother having aids somehow translates into not letting gays into the military or them being lesser Marines.......just me but whatever. Third, I never DISCREDIT anybody for serving and it's funny because I don't recall saying I'm a badass war hero...cause I'm not but in your infinite wisdom I guess I'm whatever you say I am.
TunTavern, my opinion on WM's in infantry is different because the majority can't hack it whereas I've seen gays who did just fine. Plain truth there.
Everyone has their own opinions and shlt and arguing on an online forum isn't going to change a lifetime of being raised anti freedom of choice or pro freedom of choice on what you like. I'll stay out of this argument from now on. :flag:
GKMOZ, First, I'm sorry to hear that about your brother, I really am. Second, I don't see how your brother having aids somehow translates into not letting gays into the military or them being lesser Marines.......just me but whatever. Third, I never DISCREDIT anybody for serving and it's funny because I don't recall saying I'm a badass war hero...cause I'm not but in your infinite wisdom I guess I'm whatever you say I am.
TunTavern, my opinion on WM's in infantry is different because the majority can't hack it whereas I've seen gays who did just fine. Plain truth there.
Everyone has their own opinions and shlt and arguing on an online forum isn't going to change a lifetime of being raised anti freedom of choice or pro freedom of choice on what you like. I'll stay out of this argument from now on. :flag:
JALOPEZ, Ya missed it ! not surprised ! You said my educated guess, well it wasn't just a guess ! And you made a statement about some office pog,who served 20+ yrs ago, actually it was 41 yrs ago SON ! 1833 MOS
And lastly I don't have infinite wisdom, Your attitude about an office pog and 20 yrs ago service said volumes on that !!
I have my opinion and you disagree with it Fine !
But don't go knocking any ones service ! POG or not ! We all are Marines ! We did our time, we earned it ! It has never been given.
And lastly for sure this time ! My deceased brother was a Marine.
He served honorably, but I STILL disagree with his former life style.:flag: S/F Moz USMC 68-70
Tun Tavern
04-19-11, 09:26 PM
TunTavern, my opinion on WM's in infantry is different because the majority can't hack it whereas I've seen gays who did just fine. Plain truth there.
I have no problem with your stance on women in infantry. I was specifically referring to this nugget of ignorance when you were replying to the guy that said women should only be cooks and admin:
THANK YOU! I guess it wasn't just my experience with them that was negative.
Marine1011
04-19-11, 09:30 PM
Tun, you're gonna have to pardon ol lopez, he makes a lot of negative comments around here, kind of a trademark thing like a few others who will stay nameless
CplKJSpevak
04-20-11, 12:40 AM
There's probably alot more Lesbians than gay dudes in the Corps. I mean think about how many flamers are going to want to go into the Marines?? <br />
I served with a Sgt. an Outstanding WM, who I...
SlingerDun
04-20-11, 01:33 AM
:evilgrin: Gotta admit,that Rockape up there on Hill 1192 did look awfully temptin' after I put a grass Skirt on that Harry Little Bastard,was gonna drill Him in His 6,But had too go out on another Killer Team :mad: With all Due Respect :marine:Rockape?! What does it look like, a mini Sasquatch?
jp2usmc
04-20-11, 08:13 AM
There's probably alot more Lesbians than gay dudes in the Corps.
I think I'm a Lesbian.
:p
Cpl Heglar
04-20-11, 08:23 AM
God what I would do to be a bee inside the Barracks at PI when the first recruit openly declares his feminine side to a DI. What joy what joy.
Cpl Heglar
04-20-11, 08:38 AM
Which reminds me I hated gays in the Military. I was a deboner 180 lb white teethed glorius tan from being at the pool all summer and the Deck Staff NCO seemed fit to put Lcpl George in the room...
Nice quote.....NOT :thumbdown
Cpl Heglar
04-20-11, 09:41 AM
Nice quote.....NOT :thumbdown
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jp2usmc
04-20-11, 10:30 AM
Lol
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That clears that up... LOL
Ehhh faggots have always been in. And frankly those that come out we wouldn't be surprised by for the most part. Now your brother that caught AIDS, look im sorry he got it because he was having sex without a condom. If it was a gay only disease they wouldn't give straight Marines the test once a year.
Now here is the part that makes me wonder. I take it most people consider them perverts because of that line in Deuteronomy. Now my question is how many people following that have received a blow job? Or banged a girl in the ass? Or hell had pre-marital sex? Congrats u have all violated the laws in that book of the bible. Hell if you had a cheeseburger you have violeted it. That **** is Jewish law.
iamspartacus
04-20-11, 11:39 AM
gkmoz:
I'd like to know your feelings about a similar, but different situation. I brought this up briefly in my previous reply. How do you feel about Marines who go on float and bang hookers every night on libo? What about Marines who cheat on their wives? What about Marines who have children and then abandon them? You made reference to aids. Yes, that is a big problem. But so are other sexually transmitted diseases that straight people give to one another. What about a girl or boy growing up not having a father in their life? Are all of these examples you would overlook when allowing a person to serve in the military? If so, how are these examples any different than homosexuality?
Again, I do not support any of the lifestyles I mentioned above. However, I don't think they should be a disqualifying factor simply because you don't condone that sort of lifestyle. We could add any number of things to that list. Alcoholism, gambling addiction, porn addiction. Why can't we tell our fellow Marines, "I do not support certain decision you make in your life. However, if you swear to defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, I will proudly serve next to you. If you swear to uphold the core values of honor, courage and commitment, I will serve this country with you."
Everyone in this world has SOMETHING screwed up inside them. Nobody is perfect. If you tell me you agreed with how everyone in your unit lived their life, I would probably not believe you. So my question is this: How do you determine what issues are worthy of telling someone they are not allowed to serve the country they love?
SgtThrasher
04-20-11, 11:56 AM
I think I'm a Lesbian.
:p
I'm definitely a male lesbian !!! :evilgrin:
Tun Tavern
04-20-11, 02:54 PM
Tun, you're gonna have to pardon ol lopez, he makes a lot of negative comments around here, kind of a trademark thing like a few others who will stay nameless
Thank you for the heads up.
And I apologize for my earlier rant. If I had known this was his shtick I would have left well enough alone.
FistFu68
04-20-11, 03:51 PM
:evilgrin: Slinger yeah sorta like a Mini-Bigfoot,only More Bolegged & Had a Swagger like The Last W.M,General,...That had Command of all Hollywood Marines.Buttt She was a He after I trained it too Hump Tailend Charlie 4 my Squad :marine: :iwo:
SlingerDun
04-20-11, 07:32 PM
:evilgrin: Slinger yeah sorta like a Mini-Bigfoot,only More Bolegged & Had a Swagger like The Last W.M,General,...That had Command of all Hollywood Marines.Buttt She was a He after I trained it too Hump Tailend Charlie 4 my Squad :marine: :iwo:Too bad you didn't have a Kodak handy/copyrights...$$$$$
Sgt Leprechaun
04-20-11, 08:01 PM
Nothing good will come of this. Closed. I have no desire to revist the knife fight of the past.
Just let it go.