View Full Version : What to Say to Men Who Have Negative Opinions on Females in the Military
Languagelover23
02-08-11, 01:40 AM
I encountered an extremely frustrating opinion concerning women in the armed forces. This is from someone I know pretty well in a professional manner. What do I say to men who totally disregard the efforts of the FET and those women who serve with honor in the military? I realize that the military is still very much a man's world, but the comments made to me were very insulting. Any recommendations? Should I simply disregard their opinions? I'm going in as a linguist and I feel I will make as good a linguist as any male. I find it offensive and disrespectful to ignore the efforts of women in the military and would like some advice on how to handle that. Thanks, Marines
;)
Big Tuna
02-08-11, 04:26 AM
First and foremost, congratulations on deciding to join the best fighting force in the world, and thank you for your patriotism and desire to serve your country.
I think what sucks about it is that there will always be people out there who, no matter what logic you may present or reasons you may give, will still be stubborn and have their crappy opinions about things. Just in the same way that going into the military means accepting that there are always going to be people who not only dislike what goes on overseas, but dislike the military in general... there will always be people who view women as inferior to men.
When you're passionate about something, it can be understandable to want to defend your desire and right to be doing it, and if the sexism is coming from somebody you consider to be a friend, then your reaction might be even more passionate. When somebody dismisses or puts down a cause that you're willing to actually give your life for, it can be upsetting to say the least. And you can't help but see the irony in the fact that you've volunteered to serve in the military, so that you can defend and protect THEIR right to disapprove you being in the military.
But what will YOU gain by getting yourself worked up and into an argument with somebody who's opinion will never change? That is the question I think you have to ask yourself on a case-by-case basis. Remember, there is a difference in "being a push-over" and taking the high road for your own sake and sanity. Personally, getting ****ed off and worked up every time somebody blabs ignorance about the military got tiring really fast, so it became easier to accept in my mind that they were either stubborn, too lazy to look at the whole picture, or just plain stupid, and that to argue with them was not only not going to get us anywhere, but needlessly frustrate me. It just isn't worth the daily aggravation to me.
For what it is worth... I've been on a local volunteer fire department for almost 8 years, and I've been an interior firefighter since I turned 18 (I'm 24 now, soon to be 25). Here in the suburbs of NYC, I've seen more than my fair share of bad fires and dangerous situations. That said, in this male-dominated profession, my fire department has 2 female interior firefighters and 1 male who has a prosthetic leg... and I would go into a blazing house with them ANY day. Conversely, there are plenty of male firefighters that I've seen that I would be a little more cautious about bringing in. To me, I don't care what a person's gender, race, height, or ratio of artificial appendages-to-non-artificial appendages is. If they are capable of doing the job correctly, then they should be entitled to do that job. If you manage to graduate from boot camp and get pinned with that EGA, then you will entitled to defend this country just as much as I am.
There are no "Female Marines." Only Marines.
Big Tuna
02-08-11, 04:47 AM
Oh, and my lucky number is 23, so that shows me you'll do great! haha
Tell them to p1ss off. A couple of the poolees at my station have this attitude, and generally I ignore them when they bug me about it. Just focus on training and what your recruiter says. It hasn't really bothered me thus far. My family is military, and I went in expecting it. Just be the best godd@mn marine you can be, because there will always be d0uchers like that.
Languagelover23
02-08-11, 11:13 AM
Tell them to p1ss off. A couple of the poolees at my station have this attitude, and generally I ignore them when they bug me about it. Just focus on training and what your recruiter says. It hasn't really bothered me thus far. My family is military, and I went in expecting it. Just be the best godd@mn marine you can be, because there will always be d0uchers like that.
Wow Kiri, you're getting that from other poolees? That's pretty funny lol! Luckily my fellow poolees and recruiters don't care about gender ...
Because from Marines I've talked to, FET teams do absolutely nothing. When they contact, guess who are the first people to jump in a ditch and cower? Yup the FET teams. Not saying there aren't males who aren't cowards and there certainly exceptions to this. I think only stuff like Delta or SF should be open to women, if they can hack the standard, let them in. I don't want to see the Marine Corps baby along women just so they can say "I am a lioness, hear me roar"
No one is going to rag on you for becoming a linguist, just don't expect any recognition for what male Marines do every day, which is get shot at, blown up, live in holes, etc. if you do it.
Languagelover23
02-08-11, 05:17 PM
Because from Marines I've talked to, FET teams do absolutely nothing. When they contact, guess who are the first people to jump in a ditch and cower? Yup the FET teams. Not saying there aren't males who aren't cowards and there certainly exceptions to this. I think only stuff like Delta or SF should be open to women, if they can hack the standard, let them in. I don't want to see the Marine Corps baby along women just so they can say "I am a lioness, hear me roar"
No one is going to rag on you for becoming a linguist, just don't expect any recognition for what male Marines do every day, which is get shot at, blown up, live in holes, etc. if you do it.
Sure, grunts are to be held in very high regard, but you should remember that none of that is possible without ALL MOS's.
That's a whole different story though, that's grunts vs pogs, a lot of pogs will end up directly supporting them. A russian linguist was killed in Afghanistan on the 6th I think, he was in a radio bn, the first 26XX in the battalion killed during OEF I think.
You're going to have to work twice as hard to make it somewhere without complaining, the reputation of the WM is not good, if you complain no one will want to hear it. Just sayin.
Languagelover23
02-08-11, 05:28 PM
That's a whole different story though, that's grunts vs pogs, a lot of pogs will end up directly supporting them. A russian linguist was killed in Afghanistan on the 6th I think, he was in a radio bn, the first 26XX in the battalion killed during OEF I think.
You're going to have to work twice as hard to make it somewhere without complaining, the reputation of the WM is not good, if you complain no one will want to hear it. Just sayin.
I hear that, I was just a little annoyed bc the person that said this knows me, that's all.
Wow Kiri, you're getting that from other poolees? That's pretty funny lol! Luckily my fellow poolees and recruiters don't care about gender ...
Yeah, POOLEES. It's pretty messed up.
I hear that, I was just a little annoyed bc the person that said this knows me, that's all.
Don't suck up to him, LL23. He's a poolee. For him to talk smack about the Lioness teams and "WM's" as he calls them, is pretty low.
Opinion of Marines who happen to be female is NOT low, but it is a sexist environment so a lot of guys will have a poor opinion, but not all of them
Pfttt. I guarantee Marines in the FET can dominate most of the guys that talk trash about Women serving.
Even if, for some reason, women serving in the military bothers you. There's no reason to 1) Talk about it. or 2) Really give a rats ass, because some random guys opinion doesnt matter.
Really wanna shut those guys up that are bothering you? Work your ass off and show them you can do more pull ups, crunches, and run faster than them lol. Theyre gonna see you doing pull ups and say "wtf! shes hard corps"
btw im a guy. Cheers :)
calebh180
02-08-11, 10:16 PM
One of the recruiters at my RSS is a female and I have just as much respect for her as all the other recruiters. Im gonna be honest I think I would have a hard time dating a Marine but female Marines definately have my respect
Slow down there motivators. Why don't you read some of my copypasta real quick, it's either from Marines themselves or from articles on wimminz:
"Tactical concerns:
In On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948 (in 2001, subsequent to publication, women began serving in IDF combat units on an experimental basis). The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines is no reflection on the performance of female soldiers, but that of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression.
Grossman also notes that Islamic militants rarely, if ever, surrender to female soldiers. In modern warfare where intelligence is perhaps more important than enemy casualties, every factor reducing combatants' willingness to fight is considered. Similarly, Iraqi and Afghani civilians are often not intimidated by female soldiers. However, in such environments, having female soldiers serving within a combat unit does have the advantage of allowing for searches on female civilians, and in some cases the female areas of segregated mosques, while causing less offense amongst the occupied population. A notable example of this would be female US military personnel who are specially selected to participate in patrols and raids for this purpose."
Melody Kemp mentions that the Australian soldiers have voiced similar concern saying these soldiers "are reluctant to take women on reconnaissance or special operations, as they fear that in the case of combat or discovery, their priority will be to save the women and not to complete the mission. Thus while men might be able to be programmed to kill, it’s is not as easy to program men to neglect women.
On SERE:
"
I can't speak for combat effeciency and all that since I'm a pog flyer. The only "experience" I have is training at SERE. We had women there and man it was brutal. First off, when we were evading, the female LT in my squad kept making me slow down because "we're not all gung ho marines" and we can't keep up with you. Later, during interrogation, when a male was being ****ed up they would bring a female in and beat her ass in front of us. I can't speak for anyone else, but when they did it to me... I flipped ****. And mind you, this is just training. I pushed the guy outta the way and they had to restrain me and "put me in the corner" which is basically a TTO. They reminded me that if I reacted physically to an instructor again I would be kicked out. So, I had to sit there and rage and convince the guy to hit me instead of her. All just basic instinct... I was just reacting to a female being attacked. Then when they finally layed off of her and went into me, well both of them instead of one, she fell into the corner and cried. This was all just a training exercise. Psychologically it's just completely different. They are raised different and are given special treatment whether they like/accept it or not and makes them unable to hack it 90% of the time with males."
Languagelover23
02-08-11, 11:09 PM
Slow down there motivators. Why don't you read some of my copypasta real quick, it's either from Marines themselves or from articles on wimminz:
"Tactical concerns:
In On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948 (in 2001, subsequent to publication, women began serving in IDF combat units on an experimental basis). The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines is no reflection on the performance of female soldiers, but that of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression.
Grossman also notes that Islamic militants rarely, if ever, surrender to female soldiers. In modern warfare where intelligence is perhaps more important than enemy casualties, every factor reducing combatants' willingness to fight is considered. Similarly, Iraqi and Afghani civilians are often not intimidated by female soldiers. However, in such environments, having female soldiers serving within a combat unit does have the advantage of allowing for searches on female civilians, and in some cases the female areas of segregated mosques, while causing less offense amongst the occupied population. A notable example of this would be female US military personnel who are specially selected to participate in patrols and raids for this purpose."
Melody Kemp mentions that the Australian soldiers have voiced similar concern saying these soldiers "are reluctant to take women on reconnaissance or special operations, as they fear that in the case of combat or discovery, their priority will be to save the women and not to complete the mission. Thus while men might be able to be programmed to kill, it’s is not as easy to program men to neglect women.
On SERE:
"
I can't speak for combat effeciency and all that since I'm a pog flyer. The only "experience" I have is training at SERE. We had women there and man it was brutal. First off, when we were evading, the female LT in my squad kept making me slow down because "we're not all gung ho marines" and we can't keep up with you. Later, during interrogation, when a male was being ****ed up they would bring a female in and beat her ass in front of us. I can't speak for anyone else, but when they did it to me... I flipped ****. And mind you, this is just training. I pushed the guy outta the way and they had to restrain me and "put me in the corner" which is basically a TTO. They reminded me that if I reacted physically to an instructor again I would be kicked out. So, I had to sit there and rage and convince the guy to hit me instead of her. All just basic instinct... I was just reacting to a female being attacked. Then when they finally layed off of her and went into me, well both of them instead of one, she fell into the corner and cried. This was all just a training exercise. Psychologically it's just completely different. They are raised different and are given special treatment whether they like/accept it or not and makes them unable to hack it 90% of the time with males."
I can understand how males feel about protecting women. My spuse is very much like that. However, even if woman are not in combat positions, they are nonetheless valuable to the mission in other ways. My beef was with my "friend" who basically disregarded us all and called them all s.l.u.t.s in so many words. I am a model, and this person was a photographer who I have known for about a year. Yes, I am in a "feminine" profession, but in my mind it doesn't mean $&*#. I don't care what profession I'm in, I expect respect as long as I behave in a manner that demands it. This person was out of line in their thoughts, and I suppose I just got a preview of things to come. But that is fine with me. I will deal with that so I can be the best!
calebh180
02-08-11, 11:14 PM
Slow down there motivators. Why don't you read some of my copypasta real quick, it's either from Marines themselves or from articles on wimminz:
"Tactical concerns:
In On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948 (in 2001, subsequent to publication, women began serving in IDF combat units on an experimental basis). The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines is no reflection on the performance of female soldiers, but that of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression.
Grossman also notes that Islamic militants rarely, if ever, surrender to female soldiers. In modern warfare where intelligence is perhaps more important than enemy casualties, every factor reducing combatants' willingness to fight is considered. Similarly, Iraqi and Afghani civilians are often not intimidated by female soldiers. However, in such environments, having female soldiers serving within a combat unit does have the advantage of allowing for searches on female civilians, and in some cases the female areas of segregated mosques, while causing less offense amongst the occupied population. A notable example of this would be female US military personnel who are specially selected to participate in patrols and raids for this purpose."
Melody Kemp mentions that the Australian soldiers have voiced similar concern saying these soldiers "are reluctant to take women on reconnaissance or special operations, as they fear that in the case of combat or discovery, their priority will be to save the women and not to complete the mission. Thus while men might be able to be programmed to kill, it’s is not as easy to program men to neglect women.
On SERE:
"
I can't speak for combat effeciency and all that since I'm a pog flyer. The only "experience" I have is training at SERE. We had women there and man it was brutal. First off, when we were evading, the female LT in my squad kept making me slow down because "we're not all gung ho marines" and we can't keep up with you. Later, during interrogation, when a male was being ****ed up they would bring a female in and beat her ass in front of us. I can't speak for anyone else, but when they did it to me... I flipped ****. And mind you, this is just training. I pushed the guy outta the way and they had to restrain me and "put me in the corner" which is basically a TTO. They reminded me that if I reacted physically to an instructor again I would be kicked out. So, I had to sit there and rage and convince the guy to hit me instead of her. All just basic instinct... I was just reacting to a female being attacked. Then when they finally layed off of her and went into me, well both of them instead of one, she fell into the corner and cried. This was all just a training exercise. Psychologically it's just completely different. They are raised different and are given special treatment whether they like/accept it or not and makes them unable to hack it 90% of the time with males."
This seems kinda irrelevant to being a linguist
This seems kinda irrelevant to being a linguist
You stole my post.
Alex this was about women serving, not serving in combat. You brought up the FEV teams first, so I responded to it, but we were orginally simply talking about women serving at all.
You are kind of a troll, you know that?
Alex this was about women serving, not serving in combat. You brought up the FEV teams first, so I responded to it, but we were orginally simply talking about women serving at all.
You are kind of a troll, you know that?
I agree. Alex, LL asked for opinions of what to say to people who looked down on women and their roles in the military, not opinions of people who agree with that view. Try to keep it to yourself for a while.
Languagelover23
02-09-11, 03:05 PM
Lolz
ImpatientPoolee
02-09-11, 07:29 PM
Well *MRS.* Coogan, I would have to tell you that I encounter that sort of thing daily at my RSS. I'm a 20yr old guy, and have never expressed any THOUGHTS about machoism or degregation towards women. We had some kid (I say kid because all this guy does is blab and shout incoherent and ignorant things) say "haha look at the female DI- I don't think I could stop laughing if she was yelling at me!" in the presence of other female poolees who just kinda looked at him with a slight look of frustration. I took it upon myself to say, "you would probably **** your pants if she started screaming in your face, show some ****ing respect."
Now, I'm also a realist and understand that female Marines, in my opinion, shouldn't serve in an infantry MOS. I don't feel like women belong there, I feel they should be the ones supporting the Marine Corps in other ways. That doesn't mean they're not capable, because plenty are and to say otherwise would be to tarnish all the female service members who have given their lives. Bottom line is, any male who feels the need to trash the opposite gender serving in the SAME military as him- probably isn't a man of a whole lot of integrity, and to me seems like an arrogant prick.
Hope all gets better there poolee.
IDGAF, I created a strawman and went with it..
it ****ed all of the male poolees off so it works for me.
calebh180
02-09-11, 08:00 PM
it ****ed all of the male poolees off so it works for me.
Yea your good at ****in people off. Ill give you that
Also known as a troll. And when he makes E5 (if he makes E5) everyone will hate his guts. You won't have any friends in the Corps with that ****ing stupid attitude
ImpatientPoolee
02-09-11, 08:44 PM
IDGAF, I created a strawman and went with it..
it ****ed all of the male poolees off so it works for me.
wtf is a strawman?
lol it's a logical fallacy, creating a demon for myself to kill/slay or whatever.
Kind of like the John Glenn moto speech if you've ever heard it, it's actually really good and one of the things that does give me a moto-boner. However in reality that speech only happened because of a logical fallacy made by John Glenn.
I have no problem with the wimminz poolees, my momma told me to respect 'em.
Also you better shut your cum receptical when saying combat doesn't relate to linguists. A 26XX russian linguist was killed in Afghanistan on the 6th, go haze yourself.
calebh180
02-09-11, 10:11 PM
The majority of linguist are sitting at a desk 99% of the time, so one russian linguist getting killed makes whatever comes out of your dumbass mouth relevant? Dont think so.
The majority of linguist are sitting at a desk 99% of the time, so one russian linguist getting killed makes whatever comes out of your dumbass mouth relevant? Dont think so.
Not actually true, brother. Alex is right on this one. They are often in the field. But that doesn't mean they're out there kicking down doors. They're in towns and cities, but not in battle zones. So EVERYONE is wrong
But ****ing shut up, EVERYONE, because we're all future Marines. And some of us might be pricks, or thin skinned, or preachy, or annoying, but we're all brothers!
calebh180
02-09-11, 10:20 PM
And I never said combat doesnt have anything to do with linguist, it was irrelevant because she asked what to say to men who have negative comments on females in the military so how bout YOU shut YOUR cum recepticle
ImpatientPoolee
02-09-11, 10:21 PM
Lol calm down. Yes Nerd I would agree with you on the E5 comment. When you get a kid who acts like a complete ass no one in the Corps is going to pay him any attention- even though he thinks "that's how everyone acts!". You get my drift. :)
AlexJH- let's get one thing straight. Did I say people don't get KIA in rear-echelon MOS's? No. Did I say that just because you have a rear-echelon MOS you are scared of combat? No. I feel that every Marine who earns the title would be willing to lay their life down for the Marine next to him, that's not the issue. I just think women should not be allowed an INFANTRY MOS. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a women commanding a platoon of men, sorry. Not saying that can't or won't change, and if it does, I'm sure that very special women will be like any Chesty Puller. :)
*sigh* I miss my girlfriend...haha.
Languagelover23
02-09-11, 10:33 PM
Seriously, I was mad when I posted this, but you all are cracking me up. "Cum receptacle" LMAO
Languagelover23
02-09-11, 10:35 PM
And for what it's worth, I would LOVE to kick some doors in! I am from the murder capital of the nation, New Orleans, LA, and that city has hardened me somewhat!
That's not the problem, we're sure that you can shoot someone in the dome. It's when the Marine in your fighting hole gets shot in the throat and needs to be carried out of there. Physically you're limited, therefore you shouldn't be in that situation voluntarily. If it happens it happens, but it shouldn't be a common thing. You weigh 128 pounds, you'd be carrying twice your body weight to save a wounded man in full gear.
I like to reference Jessica Lynch, she failed to maintain her weapon, so when sh*t really did hit the fan, guess what? She never got off round one, now that'd be a serious f*ck up considering she didn't fire a round and then experience stoppage. No, she didn't get off a single shot in the first place. Then instead of dismounting and bouding to cover, she cowered in the humvee until she was captured. Then SOF elements had to be re-routed to save her, what if one of them was killed because of her? I'd be f*cking ****ed! If it was a male Marine or Soldier I guarantee it'd have been a recovery operation, not a rescue. Because it was a women, we jumped through our a$$holes to save her.
I'm not saying women can't shoot back, because each one is different, but that's probably one of the most famous instances of women under fire in the modern theatre. I don't really know where I'm going with it anymore, good luck I guess.
ImpatientPoolee
02-10-11, 03:08 AM
Good reference Alex. I have another one.
There's a book I read called 'Why Marines Fight' by James Bradley where he talks about a Female Marine Captain. She was deployed with the 13th Combat Engineering Unit where her team was working on some bridge outside Baghdad. The whole squad began taking heavy fire and when one of the male gunnys asked the captain "what do we do next captain??!" she froze and couldn't give orders so the gunny took over from there.
Idk, I've read of too many instances for me to believe that the majority of women can command under-fire. The physical aspect is obvious as Alex said.
No disrespect towards women...honestly.
I'll sum it up with a quote from Anchorman, "Don't get me wrong...I loooove the ladies- but they DON'T belong in the newsroom!"
ImpatientPoolee
02-10-11, 03:10 AM
but yah I'm done, pretty much said it all. not up for me to decide anyways. :)
I encountered an extremely frustrating opinion concerning women in the armed forces. This is from someone I know pretty well in a professional manner. What do I say to men who totally disregard the efforts of the FET and those women who serve with honor in the military? I realize that the military is still very much a man's world, but the comments made to me were very insulting. Any recommendations? Should I simply disregard their opinions? I'm going in as a linguist and I feel I will make as good a linguist as any male. I find it offensive and disrespectful to ignore the efforts of women in the military and would like some advice on how to handle that. Thanks, Marines
;)
So anyways:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIEb-VaElFs
USMC Infantry
02-10-11, 12:06 PM
Infantry is a testosterone-based job
DudefromDiego
02-13-11, 08:40 PM
When in doubt, settle matters the less diplomatic way. Anybody who is able to talk **** is able to take an azz kicking. I never mouthed off and wasn't able to back it up. If this puke really holds females in the military in general with such little regard, visit him when you come back from the Island and give him a good jolt. As a photographer, a bad day at work for him will be getting some bad pictures. For you, a bad day can mean coming home in a flag draped box. You decide who has more courage as an individual.
Hey Poole Cogan, I just graduated MCRDPI Boot 20110211 4th Bn Papa Co. Plt 4005 and in response to your question about sexism I just had to talk about my Senior Drill Instructor Sgt. Castillo, if someone is sexist or not they never showed it towards my Senior. You just have to carry yourself well and be **** hot all the time. My platoon was honor platoon and I'm happy to say pretty much the whole platoon was it, for most of the events we had the full platoon, didn't have recruits malingering like a lot of other platoons that had a whole other platoon of light duties following behind the platoon. We took 5/6 trophies and always p00ned at pugils and other stuff. Our final drill blew the drill masters away, two of the drill masters couldn't help smiling we did so well and its all because of what an awesome Marine she was. If you're intense, passionate and great at what you do no ones ever going to be rate you for anything.
As for me my experience so far in the Marine Corp I haven't experienced any sexism except from a couple of male drill instructors, and its their job to kind of test you in those ways. From my peers never, we did the same stuff, crawled through the same puddles and hiked in the same miserable weather for miles and miles. I don't want to start an argument but I'd say Female drill instructors are worse than male drill instructors. I'm sure some of the male marines who ever ran into my drill instructors would agree. But yeah we did the same stuff and you get like a bond with each other because of it. You can barely know someone and talk all day to them. I've been helped by the recruits from the male batallions and I've helped them, its not really about male or female, except if you're giving the proper greeting of the day.
This is just my experience though
Languagelover23
02-21-11, 12:03 AM
Hey Poole Cogan, I just graduated MCRDPI Boot 20110211 4th Bn Papa Co. Plt 4005 and in response to your question about sexism I just had to talk about my Senior Drill Instructor Sgt. Castillo, if someone is sexist or not they never showed it towards my Senior. You just have to carry yourself well and be **** hot all the time. My platoon was honor platoon and I'm happy to say pretty much the whole platoon was it, for most of the events we had the full platoon, didn't have recruits malingering like a lot of other platoons that had a whole other platoon of light duties following behind the platoon. We took 5/6 trophies and always p00ned at pugils and other stuff. Our final drill blew the drill masters away, two of the drill masters couldn't help smiling we did so well and its all because of what an awesome Marine she was. If you're intense, passionate and great at what you do no ones ever going to be rate you for anything.
As for me my experience so far in the Marine Corp I haven't experienced any sexism except from a couple of male drill instructors, and its their job to kind of test you in those ways. From my peers never, we did the same stuff, crawled through the same puddles and hiked in the same miserable weather for miles and miles. I don't want to start an argument but I'd say Female drill instructors are worse than male drill instructors. I'm sure some of the male marines who ever ran into my drill instructors would agree. But yeah we did the same stuff and you get like a bond with each other because of it. You can barely know someone and talk all day to them. I've been helped by the recruits from the male batallions and I've helped them, its not really about male or female, except if you're giving the proper greeting of the day.
This is just my experience though
My sincere congratulations!
Your experiences sound outstanding : )
Thank you for that perspective.
TexasMaiden
04-09-11, 08:14 PM
I understand exactly what you mean. I too happen to be considered very feminine, so people close to me just seem to not understand my desire to be a Marine. I'm feminine. I like diamonds, kittens, and the color pink. SO FREAKING WHAT?! I also don't mind sweat, blood, and getting my hands dirty! Just keep yourself motivated and don't ever give up!
fknsinclair
04-09-11, 10:07 PM
While we have to understand that females have limitations, dont take any crap from anyone. Some will say things to **** you off and you will probably get hit on alot because of the number of females to males in the Corps. I know some female Marines that can kick the asses of any males you put them up against. Show them and that will shut them up. :flag:
I think men are like this because woman are not allowed in "combat" positions, but i read somewhere that they will be tossing that out the window and male or female can serve in any position.
Yeah no, that's not going to happen. Gays and women are a totally different thing. It's already gay anyways, but it's not already womanized already. Too much PC bullsh*t is going to take place, if it does.
Yeah no, that's not going to happen. Gays and women are a totally different thing. It's already gay anyways, but it's not already womanized already. Too much PC bullsh*t is going to take place, if it does.
Because you're an expert of on everything that could possibly happen in the Corps.
Recently, I saw a 5'1" tall girl take on a 6 foot tall guy in a wrestling match, and he was legitely fighting back. She pinned him several times. He only got out of it because he is very strong.
Not all women are weak
Because you're an expert of on everything that could possibly happen in the Corps.
Recently, I saw a 5'1" tall girl take on a 6 foot tall guy in a wrestling match, and he was legitely fighting back. She pinned him several times. He only got out of it because he is very strong.
Not all women are weak
Good for her, ever consider the fact that he was a p*ssy? Or that she was just a better wrestler than he was? Did he weigh 250 pounds and then did she put him on her back and run him out of the gym while 20 muj guys were spraying rounds at her?
USMC Infantry
04-11-11, 12:22 PM
If you want to be in a combat job so badly then join the ****ing army
achilles097
04-11-11, 01:57 PM
If you want to be in a combat job so badly then join the ****ing army
Women aren't allowed in combat arms in any service. Because women aren't allowed in such roles doesn't mean they will never see combat, the possibility is certainly there.
In relation to female physiology, and in common sense, the average woman is not physically built like a man. However, women do have a higher threshold for pain tolerance.
False, the only reason people say that is because of pregnancy, when delivering a child massive amounts of hormones and endorphins kick in allowing them to handle the pain.
achilles097
04-11-11, 05:16 PM
I have known people that have done research papers in different views on the subject. This is something that can be endlessly debated. Needless to say, I am just passing along info I have heard from having a mom as a physical therapist. Obviously not my area of expertise.
Dutch 44
04-11-11, 05:24 PM
The reasons why are irrelevant, congress and the pentagon have seen it fit not to allow women in combat arms jobs, they did this because its what they believe is the best interest of the military.
Also, FET does not equal infantry, that little myth is pretty far off. They are not an offensive combat force, if they were they wouldnt need to be attached to an infantry unit..
False, the only reason people say that is because of pregnancy, when delivering a child massive amounts of hormones and endorphins kick in allowing them to handle the pain.
My last post on leatherneck:
I hope you get hit by an 18-wheeler. I don't even know you, and you are the most god awful annoying sonofa***** i have ever had the displeasure to know.
You go to hell, buddy
Honcho1010
04-12-11, 12:56 AM
I know girls that will put half you guys on your ass lol. This is no exaggeration. I dont mean just fighting but actual technique. i'll get some vids if they let me.
My last post on leatherneck:
I hope you get hit by an 18-wheeler. I don't even know you, and you are the most god awful annoying sonofa***** i have ever had the displeasure to know.
You go to hell, buddy
I'm going to hell because women release endorphins that allow them to cope with the incredible pain of giving birth?
k peace bro
I know girls that will put half you guys on your ass lol. This is no exaggeration. I dont mean just fighting but actual technique. i'll get some vids if they let me.
lol i don't doubt their fighting capability, i just doubt their carrying 250-300 pounds of Marine ability... we shouldn't allow all women to serve because only a couple can actually meet the standards. That would be like recon opening itself up to 2nd class PFT's.
If they want to serve in combat a willing SOF unit should allow anyone who can meet the physical standards to go through indoc, if a chick could really make it through BUD/S, BRC, SFAS, etc. you might as well let them in...
Languagelover23
04-12-11, 02:06 PM
For the record, I never said I wanted be an 0311. The issue was with this guy who said all women, regardless of MOS, got their rank on their knees and backs. I don't just mean the issue of women in combat (which they already ARE), I mean the issue of us being in, period. And yes there are some women who could kick some male ass.
Languagelover23
04-12-11, 02:08 PM
Wanted to add, there is a guy in my pool who is shorter and lighter than me, and he is going to be a Grunt. Why is he allowed despite his size? He is like 5'4" and 130 lb. probably.
Wanted to add, there is a guy in my pool who is shorter and lighter than me, and he is going to be a Grunt. Why is he allowed despite his size? He is like 5'4" and 130 lb. probably.
That's just the way it is, females can't carry a heavy rucksack and their buddy and their heavy rucksack because they got shot can't cant walk.
(i know that sounded sexist but thats what i was told)