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Sgt Leprechaun
01-28-11, 12:42 AM
Sad and disgusting all at the same time. Can't say I'm surprised. This isn't even political....just completely frakkin ignorant.

Widest possible dissemination on this one folks...
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Is That Your Middle Finger???

Posted By Deebow • [January 27, 2011]


Update and bump from B5: Over at Another Voice is an update on this travesty... (http://anothervoice.1776redux.com/2011/01/27/update-heroes-homecoming/)
I really have to stop cruising the internet while eating pastries. I finally got the donut cleaned off of my computer (sticking with the cop theme) and get to dish on the unbelievable stupidity I found that Andrew Breitbart had over at Big Peace (http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/01/24/honor-vietnam-vets-with-jane-fonda-and-anti-war-protestors/).

Let me just bounce this off ya'

Fayetteville, North Carolina, home of Fort Bragg, is planning a 10-day celebration and homecoming this November to honor Vietnam Vets. Its a honor well deserved. These soldiers, marines, and other vets served our nation honorably. It’s not their fault that we had lousy leadership in Washington that lost the war.
But Fayetteville Mayor Tony Chavonne decided to “honor” the Vets by reaching out to Quaker House, an anti-Vietnam war protesting outfit. And Quaker House said they are glad to participate and intend (http://militarytimes.com/news/2011/01/ap-vets-angry-at-anti-war-group-in-NC-celebration-012211/)to show two anti-war films that include Jane Fonda. As in “Hanoi Jane.” This is how they plan to “honor Vietnam vets.”
OK, anyone else spitting coffee or breafast pastries on their monitor screen? Yeah, thought so. If you hurry and use some 70/30 mix of glass cleaner and Simple Green, you can get it off before it sticks.


I actually had a hard time believing this story, but I have also never underestimated the abysmal depth of human stupidity. Did this mental midget forget where his John Brown hindparts were located on the planet? Did he wake up and think he was Mayor Bloomberg? Does he need me to show him how to practice intersection and resection on a 1:50,000 scale map to attempt to re-orient himself and find his actual location on the planet, geographically speaking?

Perhaps as an all encompassing event to honor veterans, we can scare up some pirate Arab DVD's that show how Osama Bin Laden is a hero and how there are two sides to 9/11 (or could we just borrow it from Michael Moore?)

Maybe I just expect too much.... Nice way to wave that middle finger at veterans of that war Mr. Mayor.... I hope Senator McCain gives you a buzz and lets you know how he feels about that.

As usual, outrage expressed here is always welcome, but feel free to cut and paste your response to His Mayorship right here (http://www.mayorchavonne.com/contact.php).

Vietvet1968
01-28-11, 04:20 AM
Sgt. Leprechaun not much to be siad after reading your post about Fayetteville honoring Vets! This Country continues to call upon it's Military as individuals put us down. It's hard to remember we've all fought to give them their "stupid" rights to act as they do. My friends are MARINES......if you're not a MARINE.....you're the enemy...regardless of who you are.

SEMPER FIDELIS SARGE,
Vietvet1968@comcast.net
Roger Dale Stewart

advanced
01-28-11, 07:02 AM
I have never watched a single movie or advertisement that bittch has ever been in. She should have been shot for treason many years ago.

Mongoose
01-28-11, 07:07 AM
I have never watched a single movie or advertisement that bittch has ever been in. She should have been shot for treason many years ago.
Russ, I would have loved to be the trigger man. That would be one shot I wouldnt miss.

advanced
01-28-11, 07:15 AM
Billy, we'd had to have had the largest firing squad there ever was because there would be so many of us wanting to shoot her. Of course it would have to be a head shot because the biitch has no heart.

03Foxtrot
01-28-11, 07:33 AM
This is why I will never forget and never forgive.

advanced
01-28-11, 07:40 AM
This is why I will never forget and never forgive.

03Foxtrot - That's exactly the picture I see in my head whenever I think of her also. I agree with you brother, I will never forget or forgive her either.

TunTvrnWarrior
01-28-11, 07:50 AM
Let me guess...... This mental giant of a mayor has to be a member of the National Socialist Party... aka the DNC.

TJR1070
01-28-11, 09:05 AM
I think I will go use my Hanoi Jane urinal target now. I'll have to get one I can **** on and add Fayetteville Mayor Tony Chavonne's name to it!!

advanced
01-28-11, 09:35 AM
I think I will go use my Hanoi Jane urinal target now. I'll have to get one I can **** on and add Fayetteville Mayor Tony Chavonne's name to it!!

You just gave me an idea!

radio relay
01-28-11, 09:51 AM
I hate that traitor, Jane Fonda, too! However, I figured I'd post this from the Mayor's website ...

http://mayorchavonne.com/

Looks like he got the message:

"Hello I am Mayor Tony Chavonne - the son of a soldier and the proud mayor of a military town. I want to apologize for any misinformation and confusion arising from our Heroes Homecoming event planned for later this year.

I can assure you that 100% of our focus is on extending a welcome home to each and every one of our Vietnam Veterans and to thank and honor them for their service to our country. Let me be clear that we will not have any sanctioned events that include movies with Jane Fonda"

TunTvrnWarrior
01-28-11, 09:53 AM
I think the turd got the message and is trying to save face now.

advanced
01-28-11, 09:58 AM
I think the turd got the message and is trying to save face now.

Yeah, I think they've got a few army guys there.

hbharrison
01-28-11, 11:01 AM
Can not forget and most certain I can not forgive, ever!!!!!!!!!!

03Foxtrot
01-28-11, 11:03 AM
I've had two response's to this thread disappear, WTF ?

radio relay
01-28-11, 12:19 PM
I think the turd got the message and is trying to save face now.

Agreed!

TunTvrnWarrior
01-29-11, 05:47 PM
I wrote the mayor an email. I got a standard email back stating an overview of the situation.

Today, I received a personal reply from the mayor. It was very direct and to the point and went into detail as to what went on. The idea was brought up in a meeting among the mayor and the veterans present by a Quaker. It was shot down on the spot. The writer of the article rushed to judgment. I rushed to judgement.

tripledog
01-30-11, 07:08 PM
Shooting that sorry ***** is too easy. I can think of a hundred other ways for her to nourish the earth with that sorry assd body

Vietvet1968
01-31-11, 05:20 AM
tripledog:

You sound a lot like me. To make it simple; If you're not a MARINE, then you're the enemy (to me)! Many have said much about many things but ABOVE ALL TRAITORS SHOULD BE SHOT ON THE PUBLIC SQUARE WHILE THE NEWS MEDIA FILMS IT FOR ALL TO WATCH.:mad: My LOVE for the
CORPS runs as deep as it does for OUR COUNTRY.

Vietvet1968@comcast.net
" Stew "

Vietvet1968
01-31-11, 05:32 AM
advanced

That's one major problem with things advanced; they always halt the Military when they should allow them to advance! We all know why They send in the MARINES!
THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE WILL BE THE MARINES....HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE
THEIR JOB TO SHOOT ALL THE TRAITORS THEY CAN ( in the head ).:mad::yes::evilgrin:
Vietvet1968@comcast.net
" Stew "

hbharrison
01-31-11, 08:02 AM
People like this come out of the wood work evey once in awhile and when they do they always seem to get it in the news. Shooting them in the head NO but in the hind parts where the brian is YEP!!! go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marine1955
01-31-11, 11:55 AM
I found the only thing worthy of Jane Fonda.



http://i53.tinypic.com/vimoly.jpg

SgtThrasher
01-31-11, 01:17 PM
Myself and other Marines in Vietnam made a pack that if Hanoi Jane dies first,we are going as a group and help hydrate her grave! :evilgrin:

Vietvet1968
01-31-11, 05:29 PM
For one to appreciate this Country of ours and repect all about it just maybe they should be drafted and sent to a Combat Zone. What I think about trash like Jane Fonda & etc. can't be put in print or verbally translated.:D
Vietvet1968@comcast.net
Roger Dale Stewart

Deduke
02-01-11, 09:55 AM
OK, anyone else spitting coffee or breafast pastries on their monitor screen? Yeah, thought so. If you hurry and use some 70/30 mix of glass cleaner and Simple Green, you can get it off before it sticks.





Or you could buy some Red Man and wait patiently for a suitable target.;)

HST
02-01-11, 10:44 AM
Why don'y you tough guys send your rants to the local FBI office? Tell them about it all there Jason.


tripledog:

You sound a lot like me. To make it simple; If you're not a MARINE, then you're the enemy (to me)! Many have said much about many things but ABOVE ALL TRAITORS SHOULD BE SHOT ON THE PUBLIC SQUARE WHILE THE NEWS MEDIA FILMS IT FOR ALL TO WATCH.:mad: My LOVE for the
CORPS runs as deep as it does for OUR COUNTRY.

Vietvet1968@comcast.net
" Stew "

OLE SARG
02-01-11, 12:28 PM
Why don'y you tough guys send your rants to the local FBI office? Tell them about it all there Jason.

And your point is???????????

SEMPER FI,

HST
02-01-11, 12:45 PM
Maybe you'll be finding that out very soon.

Sgt Leprechaun
02-01-11, 11:27 PM
What are you talking about?

HST
02-02-11, 09:37 AM
I'm talking about making threats against someone or advocating violence against some person. I think we have laws dealing with that type of activity. I don't care much for Jane Fonda but she was never indited or convicted of any crimes associated with her anti-war activities. Yet people here want to shoot her in the head for exercizing her conststutionally guaranteed free speech because they don't like what she said. This site display's the emblem of the US Marine Corps. Why don't you send the CMC a copy of this thread and see how he responds to it?

advanced
02-02-11, 09:42 AM
Maybe you'll be finding that out very soon.

And who is threatening who? Sounds like a threat to me, we do have a constitution you know. Maybe the CMC would like to hear about this also.

Tennessee Top
02-02-11, 11:28 AM
She excersized her right to free speech in Nam and the Marines here are excerizing their right to free speech today...so what's the problem?

OLE SARG
02-02-11, 12:08 PM
I'm talking about making threats against someone or advocating violence against some person. I think we have laws dealing with that type of activity. I don't care much for Jane Fonda but she was never indited or convicted of any crimes associated with her anti-war activities. Yet people here want to shoot her in the head for exercizing her conststutionally guaranteed free speech because they don't like what she said. This site display's the emblem of the US Marine Corps. Why don't you send the CMC a copy of this thread and see how he responds to it?

Neither was john dickhead kerry and look where in the fvck the leftwing whackos put that son of a bit ch!!!!!! Just like kerry, fonda was helping the enemy and SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED!!!!!!!! I could care less what the fvck this bit ch said, it was what she did with the enemy, you know the North Vietnamese!!!!! I suppose you appreciated the fact that she cavorted with the enemy and even got some of our POW'S brutalized!!!!!!!!!!:mad: fonda and kerry need to burn in hell for what they did!!!!!!!!!!

SEMPER FI,

Mongoose
02-03-11, 07:19 AM
I can assure you. The lack of backbone, shown by our government, in that era, open the door, for all the shet we are in today.

HST
02-03-11, 08:17 AM
I tend to believe that if we had continued to demonstrate the backbone we had in that era, the Church Committee's exposure of the CIA activities and corruption in government, the release of the Pentagon papers by Ellsburg and so on, we would be in a lot better shape today and a lot of good Americans would be alive today.

Vietvet1968
02-03-11, 11:48 PM
As Americans we all have the right to free speech which is one of the many freedoms we as MARINES fight for to ensure isn't infringed upon.
Benedict Arnold also exercised " his right " to " free speech ". What was he? The same as JF! The only reason ( s ) she wasn't tried and convicted is because of her name and who she was and the main factor because we've had a " chicken-**** " gov't for a long time who is " selling " this country to foreigners unders the " noses " of the public. And I say; ANYONE who speaks out against this Nation is a traitor for all SHE stands for and needs to be either shot or shipped to another country where they can be happier. AMERICA; LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Vietvet1968@comcast.net
Roger Dale Stewart:yes:

Sgt Leprechaun
02-04-11, 05:44 PM
Yeah, HST, those things did SUCH a great job in strengthening our country.

Pffffffffffffffffft.

Fonda is scum. And quite frankly, if you really think the CMC would give a RIP about a bunch of Marines sounding off about Hanoi Jane, then you haven't been around Marines much. Including the Commandant.

Furthermore, as I recall, a currently serving member of congress (WEBB, DEMOCRAT) once stated, on the radio, that "He wouldn't walk across the street to pizz on her teeth if her face were on fire".

Mayhap you should report HIM too.

Get....a....grip.

HST
02-05-11, 06:32 AM
Webb is a combat vet, unlike some of the badasses here, he didn't say he would shoot her or any other person that exercized their constitutional rights. If you have a close look at a lot of the gear we wore in Nam, you'll find a lot of peace signs or in my case "GAF" Give A F*ck...and we didn't. One thing for sure, nobody ever told is to take it off or threatened us for wearing it and that was in the field where the rubber really hit the road, that's free speech and expression.

HST
02-05-11, 06:48 AM
Incidently, I can't stand Fonda either but I hate the Quakers, we found first aid supplies that they sent to the NVA in caves we took up on the Razorback.

My brother, the other Cpl. Simpson did some reaserch and sent me the addresses of some of their NVA aid groups, we sh*t in some battery bags and sent it to them from Nam.....eat well MFers

Sgt Leprechaun
02-05-11, 06:09 PM
But see, that's the beauty of it....Webb can say what he wants, and so can the 'rest' of us who AREN'T Navy Cross winners.

Plenty of folks put that stuff on their uniforms/helmets etc. And it's cool. But again, freedom of speech (only so much as was allowed by the SNCO's and officers) who turned a blind eye. But you make my point, again....freedom of speech exactly.

And, last bit, as you well know, 'saying' I'm going to shoot someone, without means, motive, and opportunity to do so, is still freedom of speech, no matter how distasteful it may be to the 'opposite' side. Heck, as I recall, someone made a movie about assassinating Bush when he was in office. I didn't much care for THAT, but it falls under 'free speech', don't it? Plenty of 'Pubbies wanted to ban it, etc etc, but the left said it was 'free speech'. When we start banning one side, we have to be careful...'cause that side may eventually get back into power, and do the same to 'us'. Then where will we be????

I had heard that about the Quakers. Yeesh. Don't blame you for sure there.

HST
02-06-11, 06:21 AM
I think when someone says "I wish someone would kill you or I wish you were dead or harmed in some manner" that's free speech. When someone says "I'm going to do those things or I want to commit those acts" those are threats and they are questionalbe at best, illegal at worst.

I think we have a moral and a legal obigation to question and on some occasaions to report those who might really be considering such acts. I would hate to be the person who failed to expose the next Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mongoose
02-06-11, 07:09 AM
I think when someone says "I wish someone would kill you or I wish you were dead or harmed in some manner" that's free speech. When someone says "I'm going to do those things or I want to commit those acts" those are threats and they are questionalbe at best, illegal at worst.

I think we have a moral and a legal obigation to question and on some occasaions to report those who might really be considering such acts. I would hate to be the person who failed to expose the next Lee Harvey Oswald.
If you put everyone in jail that makes statements that are in bad taste. There wouldnt be any room for them. Most of the shetbags that do commit those types of crimes. Never talk about it before hand. I doubt that theres anyone here that hasnt said they would like to kill someone, at one time or another. But would never do it. Most of the time its just expressing thier anger at the highest level.Im not saying its right. But knowing the reason it was said, I wouldnt blow it out of context.

advanced
02-06-11, 07:56 AM
We're not talkin about just anybody here, we're talkin about jane F____in fonda. American Traitor *****!

radio relay
02-06-11, 08:05 AM
We're not talkin about just anybody here, we're talkin about jane F____in fonda. American Traitor *****!
Hell, damn yes!!

"free speech" is not sitting in the seat of an NVA anti-aircraft gun, giggling with NVA gooks as she draws a bead on US aircraft!!!

HST
02-06-11, 03:36 PM
Let's put this thing in it's proper perspective...did Fonda and her little bullsh*t thing cost one American his life ? I don't really think so.

OK, did the Ho Choi program cost a lot of Americans their lives? Somewhere along the line 35 or so years ago I nremember reading in the pentagon papers ( and I really read a lot of the documents) that they (we) knew that 60% or more of the NVA that we took in the program were really agents and were leading our guys into ambushes every day but they didn't stop it because it might embarress us. If you sit down and have a good read of what really happened in Nam you might come to the conclusion that Hanoi Jane saved more American lives than the pentagon did by simply energizing the anti war forces and stopping the usless killing.

Think about it, but do so in the abstract. I'm sure as hell not a pacifist, I'm more a beliver in the concept that war is killing them until they are sick of dying or until they are all dead but dying for nothing or for some general's next star isn't in my agenda.

Deduke
02-06-11, 04:54 PM
Let's put this thing in it's proper perspective...did Fonda and her little bullsh*t thing cost one American his life ? I don't really think so.

I respectfully disagree with you, sir. Not only did she have her picture taken in order to show her support of the Communists, she also made several radio broadcasts on Hanoi Radio, she established FTA (F... The Army) Coffee houses near military bases in the US, she encouraged American soldiers to murder their officers, she gave the Communists financial support, hell, she even named her kid with Hayden after a North Vietnamese terrorist.

The reports of her activities, as well as those made by Cronkite, extended the war by years. The Communists were beaten in Tet of '68, yet they knew that if they held on long enough for American citizens to get tired of the war, they could win. I hold her and Cronkite personally responsible for every death after Tet of '68.

Marine1011
02-06-11, 05:06 PM
Is that the criteria we use to determine if someone is a maggot traitor, whether anyone was killed?

Sgt Leprechaun
02-06-11, 06:39 PM
See, now THIS is the way this one should be going. Open discussion of point/counterpoint.

We are either getting awfully mature or there is something in the water.

IIRC, it was a political decision taken by Nixon to NOT prosecute her, as he believed that is what she wanted, for more publicity. I do know from reading a biography of Henry Fonda, years ago, that he was mortified and basically disowned her at the time, although he kept publicly quiet.

In retrospect, I think Nixon made the wrong choice, she should have been prosecuted, even if they lost the case. It would have prevented a lot of the nonsense later on.

advanced
02-07-11, 05:26 AM
Bene-dick Arnold was trying to shorten the war during the revolution by giving the British our secrets. He was trying to save lives.

Mongoose
02-07-11, 07:38 AM
I would go even further. I personally think that those that burned thier draft cards and burned the American Flag, should have been dealt with. As well as those that went north to avoid the draft. They broke the law for Gods sake. And we are supposed to say its o.k. to break the law, if its in the name of free speech. I doubt if there was more than a few, that actually gave a damn about the loss of American lives in V.N. They were concerned with changing the American way of life. At the expense of those that did serve in V.N.

HST
02-07-11, 07:56 AM
So the people who were acting out of principal are traitors and those who knowingly allowed Americans to die and be injured by continuing corrupted programs like Ho Choi and Agent Orange in order to get promoted are OK ? Are they hero's because they served and wore the same uniforms that we did or should they have been prosecuted?

I do agree with you about those who went to Canada, they should never have been allowed back in.

tripledog
02-07-11, 08:09 AM
"Let's put this thing in it's proper perspective...did Fonda and her little bullsh*t thing cost one American his life ? I don't really think so.

OK, did the Ho Choi program cost a lot of Americans their lives? Somewhere along the line 35 or so years ago I nremember reading in the pentagon papers ( and I really read a lot of the documents) that they (we) knew that 60% or more of the NVA that we took in the program were really agents and were leading our guys into ambushes every day but they didn't stop it because it might embarress us. If you sit down and have a good read of what really happened in Nam you might come to the conclusion that Hanoi Jane saved more American lives than the pentagon did by simply energizing the anti war forces and stopping the usless killing.

Think about it, but do so in the abstract. I'm sure as hell not a pacifist, I'm more a beliver in the concept that war is killing them until they are sick of dying or until they are all dead but dying for nothing or for some general's next star isn't in my agenda"

Personally I find this kind of post to be very distasteful . It is really beyond my belief that any Marine would hve this attitude towards the most hateful person on earth since Japan's wonderful lady Tok Rose.

I am happy you have the right to your opinion, but ...........

Hey Mongoose, the next time I get in a fight, I'M A CALLING YOU !!!

oldmarine2011
02-07-11, 08:22 AM
Somebody ought to give that mayor a Raspberry, Jane Fonda is not forgiven by me either. F***K Jane Fonda!. I'm not fonda Jane Fonda. Semper Fi, Oldmarine2011

advanced
02-07-11, 08:22 AM
So the people who were acting out of principal are traitors and those who knowingly allowed Americans to die and be injured by continuing corrupted programs like Ho Choi and Agent Orange in order to get promoted are OK ? Are they hero's because they served and wore the same uniforms that we did or should they have been prosecuted?

I do agree with you about those who went to Canada, they should never have been allowed back in.

This country is a country of law, we were founded on law. The draft dodgers broke the law and should have been punished.

I see that you defend the draft dodgers, but make a distinction on those that went to canada. If I kill someone with one shot, that would be OK, but if I use a full magazine that should be punished.

The law is the law, whether you agreed with it or not. These people were cowards then, and more importantly they are now the ones in positions of influence today destroying our great country.

Most of us came out of the Nam defending our country till this day. Some came out bashing our country like you. You may be in the majority or let me suggest a position of power within the political sense of today, but you will always be in the minority with most Nam Marines.

HST
02-07-11, 08:43 AM
"Defend the draft dodgers" "bashing our country" ? Reading and comprehension ?

Have a nice day.

TJR1070
02-07-11, 08:57 AM
Does this qualify as taking an American life. Decide for yortself but I think she deserves to hang from a rope at the Pentagon for this. <br />
<br />
Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless...

Mongoose
02-07-11, 09:48 AM
The question of did Jane Fonda harm the military in any way? Is best answered, by those of us that served in that era. As a noted personality, her input on the war was given nation wide coverage. Her public statements, that we were somehow committing genocide on innocent women and children. Created a stigma, that followed the V.N. veteren for many years. In my humble opinion, she should have been , at the very least, exiled to N.V.N. Im wondering, if today she was filmed in the afgan mountains. Talking with Osama Bin Laden,wearing a turbin, and firing a AK47. Would our government say ho-hum, free speech?

advanced
02-07-11, 09:51 AM
So the people who were acting out of principal are traitors and those who knowingly allowed Americans to die and be injured by continuing corrupted programs like Ho Choi and Agent Orange in order to get promoted are OK ? Are they hero's because they served and wore the same uniforms that we did or should they have been prosecuted?

I do agree with you about those who went to Canada, they should never have been allowed back in.

"Defend the draft dodgers" "bashing our country" ? Reading and comprehension ? I agree; you are not that witty and your reading comprehension is horrid; Fix Yourself. By the way, they were not acting out of principal, they were scared ****less. I was there with many of them in college back in 66. Guys were going to school that hated it, marrying girls they didn't even know, knocking up girls with no intent to being decent fathers, protesting on the high hope the war would end.

hst, you are simply ignorant or you are just ignoring the facts. I lived the times, I saw no moral principal, I saw wholesale cowardice on a greater scale that even the arvin's.

By the way, I didn't remember "Ho Choi" and the only reference I could find said it was a Chinese restaurant. Are you sure you didn't mean the chu hoi program? At least that's the program I remember when I was there.

HST
02-07-11, 12:06 PM
chu hoi whatever, the Kit carson program but it's really irrelavant to this
e conversation because you were every where and did everything. You were a college student in 66 and you were a bad ass Marine commie killer, You are a true patroit and anyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant...bottom line is they name streets after guys like you...One Way

Marine1955
02-07-11, 12:20 PM
Sad and disgusting all at the same time. Can't say I'm surprised. This isn't even political....just completely frakkin ignorant.

Widest possible dissemination on this one folks...
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Is That Your Middle Finger???

Posted By Deebow • [January 27, 2011]


Update and bump from B5: Over at Another Voice is an update on this travesty... (http://anothervoice.1776redux.com/2011/01/27/update-heroes-homecoming/)
I really have to stop cruising the internet while eating pastries. I finally got the donut cleaned off of my computer (sticking with the cop theme) and get to dish on the unbelievable stupidity I found that Andrew Breitbart had over at Big Peace (http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/01/24/honor-vietnam-vets-with-jane-fonda-and-anti-war-protestors/).

Let me just bounce this off ya'
Fayetteville, North Carolina, home of Fort Bragg, is planning a 10-day celebration and homecoming this November to honor Vietnam Vets. Its a honor well deserved. These soldiers, marines, and other vets served our nation honorably. It’s not their fault that we had lousy leadership in Washington that lost the war.
But Fayetteville Mayor Tony Chavonne decided to “honor” the Vets by reaching out to Quaker House, an anti-Vietnam war protesting outfit. And Quaker House said they are glad to participate and intend (http://militarytimes.com/news/2011/01/ap-vets-angry-at-anti-war-group-in-NC-celebration-012211/)to show two anti-war films that include Jane Fonda. As in “Hanoi Jane.” This is how they plan to “honor Vietnam vets.”
OK, anyone else spitting coffee or breafast pastries on their monitor screen? Yeah, thought so. If you hurry and use some 70/30 mix of glass cleaner and Simple Green, you can get it off before it sticks.


I actually had a hard time believing this story, but I have also never underestimated the abysmal depth of human stupidity. Did this mental midget forget where his John Brown hindparts were located on the planet? Did he wake up and think he was Mayor Bloomberg? Does he need me to show him how to practice intersection and resection on a 1:50,000 scale map to attempt to re-orient himself and find his actual location on the planet, geographically speaking?

Perhaps as an all encompassing event to honor veterans, we can scare up some pirate Arab DVD's that show how Osama Bin Laden is a hero and how there are two sides to 9/11 (or could we just borrow it from Michael Moore?)

Maybe I just expect too much.... Nice way to wave that middle finger at veterans of that war Mr. Mayor.... I hope Senator McCain gives you a buzz and lets you know how he feels about that.

As usual, outrage expressed here is always welcome, but feel free to cut and paste your response to His Mayorship right here (http://www.mayorchavonne.com/contact.php).

I contacted the Mayor and he said point blank that the Quaker house wasn't going to be there and ruining the honors of the vietnam veterans celebration. He said there would be no disrespecting an vet of any kind around as long as he was Mayor.
So hopefully he keeps his words it's amazing how they will change there mind when a bunch of Men write and get on there azzes Hahahahahaha.
Semper Fi Folks.

Marine1955
02-07-11, 12:34 PM
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

Mongoose
02-07-11, 12:58 PM
chu hoi whatever, the Kit carson program but it's really irrelavant to this
e conversation because you were every where and did everything. You were a college student in 66 and you were a bad ass Marine commie killer, You are a true patroit and anyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant...bottom line is they name streets after guys like you...One Way
HST, dont you go giving Russ all the credit. There was some more of us bad ass commie killers. Hell, we deserve a little credit too. And the name of that street is not one way. Its the Marine Corps way. Which consists of a large group of patriot warriors, doing what they do best, killing stinking commies.

advanced
02-07-11, 01:36 PM
chu hoi whatever, the Kit carson program but it's really irrelavant to this
e conversation because you were every where and did everything. You were a college student in 66 and you were a bad ass Marine commie killer, You are a true patroit and anyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant...bottom line is they name streets after guys like you...One Way

Like they say, I guess I have won this debate. The chu hoi thing is relevant because you brought it up as a testament to your unharnessed knowledge. Yes, I went to college in 66 and so did many others, and yes I was a Marine, and yes I went to Vietnam as a Marine. I was not bad assed then and since then I have never pretended to be bad assed - I have only claimed to be a Marine.

As far as your "one way" name calling you sir are devoid of facts and when someone calls you on the lack of your facts you start name calling.

I do have one question for you, a simple one, and hopefully you'll be able to keep the facts straight this time.

You were in the USMC pretty much the same period I was. You went to Vietnam.

How the helll did you come out of there with the kind of f___ked up thinking you have today. I'm really curious on that one.

P.S. You want to get a little squirrley talkin about things, well that's ok with me. You start getting to personal name calling and such, that's simply not called for. Act like a Marine.

"Its the Marine Corps way. Which consists of a large group of patriot warriors, doing what they do best, killing stinking commies." I think I'm going to start calling the Marine that wrote this Billy Bad Asss. S/F

HST
02-07-11, 02:00 PM
Yep you got it all right there dude, you won, you're a hero and a genius in your own mind. I'm ignorant and F*cked up and all of the other things you said in your previous posts but I got personal, right?

I'm real proud to have a warrior you like you protecting me against the enemies of our Country just like you did whatever is was you did in Vietnam. I'll sleep well tonight Knowing that you're out there on patrol. Have a great day, I'm sure Chesty is proud of you.

advanced
02-07-11, 02:22 PM
Yep you got it all right there dude, you won, you're a hero and a genius. I'm ignorant and F*cked up.

I'm real proud to have a warrior you like you protecting me against the enemies of our Country just like you did in Vietnam. I'll sleep well tonight Knowing that you're out there. Have a great day, I'm sure Chesty is proud of you.

Case Settled!

HST
02-07-11, 02:38 PM
Dave! I don't have any problems at all and I don't think anyone is the enemy, I've got a job that I enjoy, I've been happily married for 40 years, I've got great kids and grandkids, I know who I am and what I did, I'm at peace with myself I don't know why you would think that but then you're a lawyer and everybody does hate lawyers...and for good reason.
Dealing with lawyers and other crooks is the only downside to my life. ;)


HST, you need to seriously figure out wtf is wrong. Seriously.
You're another one who thinks fellow Marines are your enemy.

HST
02-07-11, 02:56 PM
Dave, I like to pull peoples chains now and then just to break up the monotony. I spent a great deal of my time in Nam carrying shot to sh*t Marines out to choppers in shot to sh*t LZ's while every gook on the planet tried to shoot us. I saw a lot of guys buy it but I never left one behind. I know love and respect the Marines but it sure is fun to f*ck with some of them who take things too seriously. I mean its only the internet, life's too short to get high blood preassure over a bunch of words.

Vietvet1968
02-07-11, 03:03 PM
Brothers, ya'll got me mixed up with someone else on this &quot; Hanoi Jane &quot; deal. Have recieved many replies ( according to their wordage ) that was meant for another. Don't want any of you to think I...

03Foxtrot
02-07-11, 04:20 PM
I personally have nothing but contempt for Jane Fonda. Her actions during the VietNam War and her political views and words gave solace to our enemy. She used her celebrity status to allow her a larger audience then otherwise expected. I hold her directly responsible for giving aid to the enemy and for making the life of Marines like me a little more difficult. I will not forget, not will I forgive and I believe strongly that this is something that should be "off limits" to those who seem to take lightly what she did. If you wanted to "Pull my chain" for your enjoyment and my consternation, consider it done.

USNAviator
02-07-11, 08:30 PM
I have a problem with Fonda as well. Two people come to mind during WW2. Both used the airwaves/press at that time to give &quot;aid and comfort&quot; to the enemy. One was William Joyce aka Lord Ha Ha an...

USNAviator
02-07-11, 10:39 PM
You folks are going to have to forgive me---I really have this problem with Marines disrespecting fellow Marines. Not busting chops, not teasing, not busting em, but disrespect. I have a problem with it. A lot of people here do.
Apparently there is no end to it, though. So we just go day to day and hopefully if enough people point it out, it might change a little.

Dave

I have problem with that as well but not sure how my opinion would be accepted especially among Nam Marines.

I can't believe a Marine let alone a Nam Marine would some how find a justification for "chain yanking" or "ball busting" especially among his peers.Why do it? What is he getting out of it?

I grew up in a neighborhood where four older boys were both my "brothers" and tormentors. All four went to Nam, all four came home in a body bag. Three were Marines the other Army.

Never had a brother but these four were as close as I came. Can't for the life of me if I had experienced such horrors, such loss and sadness why I would feel the need to "yank the chain" of my brothers. Doesn't add up!!

Enough said from this Squid

Fair winds Marines

Marine1955
02-08-11, 04:17 AM
excellent post Sir .

Marine1955
02-08-11, 04:27 AM
You know Dan, & Dave I have notice allot of the younger men who seem not to respect the older Marines that have past through the Gates of Parris Island & San Diego . I don't clam to know why and I can't even begin to try too know why but it seems to be rubbing off on some of the older Gentlemen here and I use that term very loosely.
I have notice allot of my friends leaving L.N. and moving on to other web sites. I don't know the politics that goes on on some of the forums and I don't want to know it. I just want too reconnect with anyone I may have served with from my time in the Marine Corps Plain and simple. later Gentlemen and I do use that with respect toward you.
Semper Fi

03Foxtrot
02-08-11, 12:28 PM
My needs and my expectations on this site and a few others that I have visited in the past are not to start trouble or to be the most liked or the most hated. I instead hope that I can find some positive enlightenment about my journey and possibly help my mental state of mind. I have tried to reconnect with people who are like me, wounded in the spirit and the soul, as well as the body, from combat in Viet-Nam. I am no better and no worst then any other veteran from any war or conflict our Marine Corps has fought in and I always try to convey, with respect, what I feel about certain subjects that still haunt me. I have internalized too much for far too long and the last thing I expect or will accept is someone intentionally pulling my chain about a subject that is so important to me. It is easy to disappear, I have done it many times before and I'm close to doing it again. Maybe I do walk the path alone and maybe I will always be alone, but it's not because I want it that way. I refuse to compromise my principles and my convictions about something that I know intimately, how and what the Viet-Nam War did to me. I respectfully submit to everyone here that I find far too much animosity and confrontational posturing between different ranks and eras of Marines to instill any other feeling or draw any other conclusion than that I don't belong here either. And for that, I am extremely saddened and perplexed. Where are my brothers from long ago ?
Semper Fidelis

USNAviator
02-08-11, 12:59 PM
excellent post Sir .


Thank you much appreciated. The sad part is, even though she "apologized" she still doesn't get it and never will

03Foxtrot
02-08-11, 04:01 PM
Dave,
The short reply by me is: Yes, it is good to find and communicate with some that seem to understand me on here and yes, I know from bitter experience that the internet is the last place to find that which I seek but no, I still refuse to be played as a fool or not worthy of the honor for my fallen brothers that I possess. Jane Fonda dishonored their sacrifice and now their memory. Thank you for those words of wisdom.
Semper Fi, Scott

Sgt Leprechaun
02-09-11, 08:46 PM
Great thread!

I support ALL our rights to say what we think and even feeeel. It's what we either served for, or fought for. HST has always been reliably 'left' of center, at least on here, to a certain extent. And, that's fine. We (the royal 'we') need those folks on here, because otherwise, this just becomes an echo chamber. Political discourse has always, at least in America, been a 'take no prisoners' bloodsport. Those who know their history well know that Washington himself, as well as Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln, etc etc were villified by the "other" side.

That doesn't mean I agree with just about ANYthing most liberals/lefts/progs have to say, I personally think they are just fundamentally wrong about so very much, for whatever reason(s). Still, I do believe they should continue to speak. Besides, arguing with them is fun most of the time.

The interesting thing to me is when many of them start losing the point...it turns personal. Now, I've been guilty of this myself at times, and have regretted typing some things..but it is what it is. Sometimes, I think 'we' (Americans) have gotten far too 'touchy feely' and TOO worried about feeeelings and such, at times. It's everyones right in this country to be offended at every single little thing, and in the last 20 years or so, that 'right' seems to have been taken to the 'nth' degree. Of course, it's darned easy to be a badazz on the internet without fear of getting a little pop in the beater..but still.

Anyway, lecture over :)

Sgt Leprechaun
02-09-11, 09:36 PM
I don't see it as 'harmless' by any means...but I *try* not to take it TOO personal....

*Try*.

:)

Vietvet1968
02-10-11, 05:18 AM
Marines being disrespectful to MARINES shows me that these (disrespectful) Marines did not recieve the training that we MARINES did! A TRUE MARINE knows to be respectful to others; especially another MARINE. How can one trust a disrespectful Marine? For if he is disrespectful here, what keeps him from becoming disobedient. Oh well, one that is disobedient isn't a TRUE MARINE.

Vietvet1968@comcast.net

Mongoose
02-10-11, 07:29 AM
Marines being disrespectful to MARINES shows me that these (disrespectful) Marines did not recieve the training that we MARINES did! A TRUE MARINE knows to be respectful to others; especially another MARINE. How can one trust a disrespectful Marine? For if he is disrespectful here, what keeps him from becoming disobedient. Oh well, one that is disobedient isn't a TRUE MARINE.

Vietvet1968@comcast.net
I have to step in here! Disrespect has little to do with training. Its more of a mind set. I disagree with HST on several issues. But that is were it ends. The man is a true Marine by any definition. I would trust him to cover my back any day. We are no longer active duty, so being disobedient is way out of context here. HST is a combat Marine that went through hell in V.N. Just like some of the rest of us. For that he has my respect. What he says on this forum has nothing to do with his service to his Country. Least of all we forget that little detail.

advanced
02-10-11, 07:54 AM
I have to step in here! Disrespect has little to do with training. Its more of a mind set. I disagree with HST on several issues. But that is were it ends. The man is a true Marine by any definition. I would trust him to cover my back any day. We are no longer active duty, so being disobedient is way out of context here. HST is a combat Marine that went through hell in V.N. Just like some of the rest of us. For that he has my respect. What he says on this forum has nothing to do with his service to his Country. Least of all we forget that little detail.

I agree with you Billy. As a Marine I will stand up for HST as well, he has proven himself there. Whether he and I agree politically or on any other issue has nothing to do with his being a Marine as well.

Back in the day many Marines did not agree on many things, I've even seen some get into fights over there disagreements. But when the **** hit the fan they stood together, united by our Corps. Sometimes to the death.

A state trooper stopped me once for a traffic violation. Since I did not have the $10 (payoff) he wanted he locked me up. It was a Marine that I had been in a big argument with just days before that bailed me out. Later, he came into my unit in the Nam. I thanked him for bailing me out way back then (we never talked to each other after the argument) and he apologized for his part in the disagreement. We became best friends.

I believe that Marines have strong values and sometimes individual beliefs do become conflicted. Back in the non pc world we used to conflict with each other all the time. I believe even heated interaction can be useful at times. Sometimes in the heat of the moment, many of us (including me) have the tendency to go overboard.

Mongoose
02-10-11, 08:05 AM
Russ, its called loyalty. You and I may have one hell of a fist fight today. But tomorrow if an outsider jumps on you. He will have to whoop my azz too. Thats why we call each other brothers.

advanced
02-10-11, 08:17 AM
Russ, its called loyalty. You and I may have one hell of a fist fight today. But tomorrow if an outsider jumps on you. He will have to whoop my azz too. Thats why we call each other brothers.

You've got that bro, I know you know how to stand to - Stand hard, stand firm. S/F

Mongoose
02-10-11, 10:58 AM
It's not about disagreeing or agreeing, or fighting or even disrespect.
It's the insulting words, the verbal attacks. If you folks thing THAT is okay because it comes from or to a combat veteran, I must respectfully disagree.
We are not talking about differing points of view, we're talking about insulting and verbally attacking fellow Marines.
advanced, when someone attacks you, I know you don't go for it at all, and if it was okay to do that, you would just accept it, but you don't, and Billy doesn't put up with that nonsense either.
So we would like to think it is okay to insult one another, not tease or joke or bust balls, but insult, but actually, it is not okay, and none of us ever feels it is okay when it happens, no matter what we say now. When it happens to us, and it does, then we react to it in a very strong manner. If it was okay for them to attack like that, then why is it that none of us just laugh it off when it happens?
Being a combat veteran does not confer the right to attack fellow Marines----not talking about disagreements, not talking about verbal banter, not talking even about respect as such, we are talking about one thing, insulting other Marines, not kidding around, but in a serious way.
It's not okay.
Dave, my post wasnt at all about respect or insults shone on this forum. It was about one Marine saying another Marine is not a true Marine. If one feels a need to be disrespectful or insulting. Then he is showing bad judgment on his part. That doesnt make him any less a Marine.

Vietvet1968
02-10-11, 11:24 AM
Mongoose,the reply you made concerning my post on disrespect is appreciated.Apparently it's contents was misunderstood/worded wrong.I do deeply and seriously apologize.More thought will be given to future post before doing so.
No disrespect was meant to anyone posting here.I'd never attempt to take away from any Military Personnel what they have done in service for their Country.They all(esp. MARINES)have my utmost admiration.
It's felt I could cont on any MARINE to always cover my back.
HST,I feel,for whatever reason you're due a Personal Apology from me:If you've seen anything in the afore mentioned post that you feel is directed toward you in a negative way(it's not meant to be);I sincerely & personally apologize to you.

LET ME EXPRESS THE INTENSE ADMIRATION,WHICH I SHARE WITH ALL OTHER AMERICANS,OF THE RECORD MADE BY THE MARINES.
Theodore Roosevelt 17 Oct. 1918

Vietvet1968@comcast.net:flag:

HST
02-10-11, 12:43 PM
Hey guy's I don't get insulted or mean to insult by any of this stuff. I guess it's all in how you define humor.

I remember everyone was a MFer, we used to talk about who was going to get who's boots and gear if he got hit, who was screwing who's wife, sister ect. We had a joke about the western union guy and the hillbilly family that demanded a singing telegram...da.da da, your son is dead.

I think that a lot of people today that things way to seriously that's why we have so much hate in the world but that's just my opinion.

Anyway thanks for the nice things that were said about me and you can all kiss the southbound side of a northbound skunk...that's a joke by the way.

advanced
02-10-11, 12:58 PM
I remember everyone was a MFer, we used to talk about who was going to get who's boots and gear if he got hit, who was screwing who's wife, sister ect. We had a joke about the western union guy and the hillbilly family that demanded a singing telegram...da.da da, your son is dead.



I told some friends about the singing telegram joke just last week, none of them had ever heard it. For some reason they didn't think it was as funny as I did, I said "I guess you had to have been there." ahhhh..... the memories.

advanced
02-10-11, 03:45 PM
Let me just throw something in here. I take this stuff way too seriously sometimes. When it comes to the insults. Not the other stuff, just the insults that are not in jest..... I don't know what it is. Maybe it's my issue.
Maybe everything's as it should be and insults don't matter.
Whatever.....Maybe it's just me.

Dave as you said when someone attacks me I hit back, but not with full force. As a cop I learned to use just enough force to control the encounter, rather than the devastating force I learned in the MC.

On this thread the problem I had with HST was much the same as you have had, his disrespecting other Marines. When I brought it up to him he began to direct his fire at me. Yes, it got a little heated but within my choices of action there was never a choice to attack him with force. I have also learned to let things go in life, especially when HST chose to apologize to me;

"HST -Yep you got it all right there dude, you won, you're a hero and a genius. I'm ignorant and F*cked up. I'm real proud to have a warrior like you protecting me against the enemies of our Country just like you did in Vietnam. I'll sleep well tonight Knowing that you're out there. Have a great day, I'm sure Chesty is proud of you."

Dosen't sound like an apology, sounds like sarcasm, but with someone like HST I heard him say let's put the mantle down. Since I choose to avoid confrontations I was agreeable to that idea.

We are all on the same page, I also wish we could simply debate and or offer logical persuasion to advance our causes - But, let's face it, we're all Marines here and that's not always the way we do things. If you will recall many of us were "Born Again Hard" which doesn't always lend itself to polite dialog. S/F

Sgt Leprechaun
02-10-11, 05:18 PM
8 pages long.....geeez Fonda sure can stir us up!

HST
02-10-11, 05:43 PM
Hey Russ, remember when someone would say F*ck you, you'd say you do MFer and you'll divorce your wife and your fruit buddies, now its a federal crime and the ACLU is knocking on your door. Let me throw this out, we've become to self centered, in our day you really sh*t showered and shaved together, Marines were Marines, we lived together not in litle rooms, in squadbays, there were no partitions in the ****ters in the world, you'd **** and fart and talk to the Marine sitting next to you, we lived together and we died together, we shared our dreams and our heartbreaks and we didn't get insulted. We were Marines

HST
02-11-11, 07:38 AM
Apples and oranges, I don't think so. Some people get all bent when God is called the big G or sky-6 some think it's funny. A few, very few got hot when the Corps waas called the crotch or the green MFer. Did you get all insulted when your DI got inches from your face and called you names? If you did you sure as h*ll didn't call him on it or you wouldn't be here.

Bill Masterpool cussed me out big big time in front of a lot of guys once, for something I had no control over. I was pretty bummed about until later he told me " If you've got thin skin, you should have joined the f*cking air farce"
That applied then and as far as I'm concerned it applies now.

advanced
02-11-11, 08:58 AM
Apples and oranges.
I remember the ballbusting, all the time, night and day, it was fun, that was camaraderie.
Never have been referring to that, not even remotely.
Talking about something else entirely foreign to that. Serious verbal attacks and insults on and to fellow Marines. Not in jest, but done seriously.
Not ballbusting, not playing around, not harrassment, completely different thing.
We're talking about two completely different subjects here.

I think a great deal of our behavior here has to do with the way we were trained. I was in a Combat Vet's group at the VA years ago (therapy to make me kinder and gentler) when we were talking about our attitudes and how some of the guys would become angry at the smallest things. I said that I thought it had much to do with our passive aggressive training and the therapist said that we were not trained passive aggressively. Well all the Marines in there (all VN vets) said in union "BS."

As HST just said, with DI's getting up in our faces, calling us the most vial things that I at the time had never even heard of - Getting thumped just because you were standing next to the guy who messed up (you should have corrected him). Being trained in sheer aggression, being taught rage and to have the hard heart.

Whenever I, and I believe most Marines, think of MCRD we think of what we went through to earn the title. I have seen many Marines in the past attempt to mimic the DI's in what and how they said things. Point is - yelling, screaming, punching, kicking and insulting were taught to us as all appropriate behaviors and valid ways to communicate with each other.

No offense to anyone else, those of us who served in combat learned to tap into the deep inner rage (whats called the warrior ethos) just to come through (stay alive) at times.

We used to have a joke that I haven't heard since the 70's that we said whenever someone called us badasssed; we would simply say "Me, no I'm not the biggest bad-asss around, but I know him, and he knows I'm screwing his old lady - But, no I'm not a badassss."

I'm just saying that we have a forum here made of Marines that have one common cord woven around each of us, MCRD. What we learned, besides earning the title, was how to communicate to us in what we believed at the time to be a very appropriate manner. Every other word (which again was mentioned by HST) was MF this F__k that. In the Nam all talk between Marines used this common language.

We must all remember, to many Marines here I would suggest that the personal attacks, the negative slurs were learned, and to many is interwoven with their image of being a Marine.

Just some of my thoughts. S/F

HST
02-11-11, 07:42 PM
OK Dave I read 109 again. Why don't you give me the number for the serious verbal attacks on and to fellow Marines. Not in jest but done seriously.

I know tha myself and Advanced and Mongoose and Lep and others have had some real e-Azz whip sessions here and there, but in the end we all kiss and make-up, no tonge, though, not even with Lep. I don't know where all of this serious stuff is at. It sure ain't comng from my hole.

PJones64
02-11-11, 07:52 PM
You ain't in the military anymore, son, let it go. This is a brotherhood for all kinds, no use coming at it like we got axe to grind

Sgt Leprechaun
02-14-11, 05:33 PM
HST...you WOUND me. You PROMISED me tongue.

Sigh.

Always a bridesmaid, never a bride....

HST
02-14-11, 05:41 PM
Neva hachi bro. In less than a month I'll be married 40 years to the beautiful brown eyed Barbara, faithfully, I might add.

Sgt Leprechaun
02-14-11, 05:44 PM
LOL. Good on ya! December was my 22nd. Same girl. Don't know why she puts up with me but she does :)

Have a good V-day BTW!

J

HST
02-14-11, 05:55 PM
Back at ya brother and your wife. I could say that she puts up with you because she's a closet liberal but I ain't....well what the hell, I couldn't resist it, we're trained to take advantage or every opportunity...and don't forget the roses and a nice card for her.

Sgt Leprechaun
02-14-11, 07:06 PM
LOL! I'm working, but took care of some nice flowers, a cool card, and a portion of her old, unservicable Alpha uniform, in a frame with ribbons, badges etc. Took her to Micheals craft store today and the bookstore. "My work here is done" :)

And she's more right wing than I am, if that's humanely possible....much be the Apache LOL.

Good shot though!

Take care of yourself...

advanced
02-15-11, 12:54 PM
In March I will have been married 41 years. Of course I'm with wife #4 now, but that's doing good for what it could have been.