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artyin
01-13-11, 09:15 PM
Are there any MCI's I MUST complete to get SGT?

I'm a full time student so getting the 100 bonus points is not an issue. I want to do as few MCI's as possible, if any.

I got promoted to CPL last June and the ONLY MCI I did was "Leading Marines."

josephd
01-13-11, 09:29 PM
Not required for Sgt. but look into the all the 8010 series MCI's. I also know Terrorism Awareness, Personal Finance, Spelling, The Principle of Instruction for the NCO, and whatever your MOS MCI may be are all looked highly upon.

Casedizzy2821
01-13-11, 10:44 PM
Are there any MCI's I MUST complete to get SGT?

I'm a full time student so getting the 100 bonus points is not an issue. I want to do as few MCI's as possible, if any.

I got promoted to CPL last June and the ONLY MCI I did was "Leading Marines."

Yes, you are required to complete the Sgt's Non-Resident Program (8000 series) MCI's which are:

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You might want to start doing more because only doing 1 MCI to pick up Corporal is garbage. I understand you are a full time student (I am as well). Your junior Marines are going to look to you as a mentor and someone who only does 1 MCI isn't showing much initiative. Don't take it personally. You need to be a well-rounded Marine which includes: MCI's, college, community service, PFT, rifle, etc. Don't just try to get your 100 points as a check in the box.

haebyungdae
01-14-11, 10:17 AM
The 8010 Sgt's non-resident course is not required for Cpl to Sgt, it's mandatory when being considered for SSgt. However, a lot of Marines complete the program as a senior Cpl/junior Sgt. As for what MCI's you should be doing, just take a look at the MOS road-map (link below) for your particular MOS and get those done. MCI's for the most part are pretty easy to do and if you max them out then that is more points upon the 100 you already have for out-duty education, it make sense to do them so you can be as competitive as possible.

MOS Roadmap: www.tecom.usmc.mil/g3/roadmap.php

thediesel713
01-14-11, 01:02 PM
[QUOTE=haebyungdae;729256]The 8010 Sgt's non-resident course is not required for Cpl to Sgt, it's mandatory when being considered for SSgt. However, a lot of Marines complete the program as a senior Cpl/junior Sgt. As for what MCI's you should be doing, just take a look at the MOS road-map (link below) for your particular MOS and get those done. MCI's for the most part are pretty easy to do and if you max them out then that is more points upon the 100 you already have for out-duty education, it make sense to do them so you can be as competitive as possible.


^^^^ Great advice. My reservists always think they don't have to do MCI's since they're in school.

Thirsty Pilgrim
01-16-11, 08:24 AM
Take as many as possible. Only makes you a better Marine.

To do otherwise sets a very poor example.

TheReservist
01-16-11, 09:30 AM
MCI's for the most part are pretty easy to do and if you max them out then that is more points upon the 100 you already have for out-duty education, it make sense to do them so you can be as competitive as possible.

MOS Roadmap: www.tecom.usmc.mil/g3/roadmap.php (http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/g3/roadmap.php)

I do believe that once you have the 100 education points, you are maxed out for points. As I've had friends who have had their off duty education ran in the system and they did mcis too, yet only had 100 points

thediesel713
01-16-11, 11:51 AM
That would max them out. By why wouldn't you do MCI's to make yourself competitive? No one should do the bare minimum and expect to advance themselves.

haebyungdae
01-17-11, 03:02 AM
My bad, could have swore they were separate. I stand corrected. <br />
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Beyond not getting points though. MCI's, amongst other things, comes down to this: at the rank of sergeant you have more Marines...

ZSKI
02-15-11, 04:26 PM
the 8000 is required for most boards

LoveOfCountry
12-29-11, 01:50 PM
MCI's, for the most part, are a waste of time... especially if you are also attending college. I would be willing to bet that less than 10% of what is read and tested is actually retained by most Marines.

There are very few that have any long-standing impact on your career... outside of what it makes you look like on paper.

KW

BGW
12-29-11, 02:07 PM
Ahhh yes reviving what was once forgotten. But yah MCI's are just a check in the box, if you get it electrical copy you can just ctrl+f while taking the test and bam look at that you look like a motivated individual.

Box with a check in it.

Marine3451
12-29-11, 05:07 PM
MCI's, for the most part, are a waste of time... especially if you are also attending college. I would be willing to bet that less than 10% of what is read and tested is actually retained by most Marines.

There are very few that have any long-standing impact on your career... outside of what it makes you look like on paper.

KW

WTF...Your suppoed to be a Corporal of Marines and this advice you just gave is complete Horsecrap. All things being the same including college if I have 10 MCI's and you have none who do you think wins a board?

EastofWest18
12-29-11, 06:04 PM
I know that some commands have higher requirements that you must meet otherwise you will receive a counseling and be non-rec'd in the Reserves. I believe that my company requires the 8000 series for Sgt's. From what I have been told, the reasoning behind that is that as reservist Marines it is more important for us to have everything done early because we don't live it like the AD Marines do.

Old Marine
12-29-11, 07:11 PM
Lately, it appears that just about anyone can come into this forum and not fill out their profile and a lot of info is provided to them. It was my understanding that each and every profile was to be completely filled out. I wonder what is going to occur around here next. Maybe its because I am a stickler about regulations.

BGW
12-29-11, 07:33 PM
Yah wtf people this is a constant theme here yet people still can not get along with the program.



Also I think country of love meant that MCI's them selves are worthless but when it comes to people looking at what you have accomplished they will see those 80 MCI's and say damn this Marines is hot ****, he should be an officer. Or just be promoted compared to his counterpart who did 30 MCI's.

LoveOfCountry
12-29-11, 09:09 PM
Marine3451,

I did not give any advice. I simply stated the facts. Obviously MCIs are good for your career (on paper), but their influence in training and knowledge in regards to being a "good" Marine is very minuscule.

Point in case, Marines have some of the worst grammar in the world, and a high percentage of them can't spell to save their lives... but they all took Spelling for Marines and Basic Grammar.

That is my point in a nutshell - a small nutshell.

Now as for my advice... complete as many MCI's as you possibly can, but if they ever start to negatively effect the time you have for college courses, or higher education, then focus on that instead.

Semper Fi!

KW

BGW
12-29-11, 09:34 PM
Sadly though we do not live in a perfect world and some do not have the option to take college courses compared to our counter part reservists. MCI's make helps fill in the whole.

... Wait are we talking about only reservists or both AD and reservists?

Marine3451
12-30-11, 04:23 AM
The same goes for college. I recently met some of the dumbest people i have ever been in a class with and they already had their Masters degree. In my career field sometimes we get sent TAD to classes that count as graduate level courses. During one such class I often wondered why I was doing better than people with Masters degrees and I was only working on my Associates. So, its not just ,but everywhere that you see dumb people look good on paper.

Zulu 36
12-30-11, 07:22 AM
Marine3451,

I did not give any advice. I simply stated the facts. Obviously MCIs are good for your career (on paper), but their influence in training and knowledge in regards to being a "good" Marine is very minuscule.

Point in case, Marines have some of the worst grammar in the world, and a high percentage of them can't spell to save their lives... but they all took Spelling for Marines and Basic Grammar.

That is my point in a nutshell - a small nutshell.

Now as for my advice... complete as many MCI's as you possibly can, but if they ever start to negatively effect the time you have for college courses, or higher education, then focus on that instead.

Semper Fi!

KW

I know that Marine3451 said some things about grad level students in later posts, and sadly, he is correct. However, not all grad students are incompetent writers. I liked to think I am one of the better post grad writers when I put my mind to it.

However, my grad studies are in adult education, training, and performance improvement. One cannot learn to be a good writer unless you have a mentor who can proof your material and provide accurate and constructive criticism and advice. A poor speller and incompetent writer remains so unless someone teaches them better. A spelling and grammar MCI can only present the theory. The theory MUST be practiced under the supervision of a competent speller and writer.

As a Marine, I was very fortunate to have that mentor at one unit I was assigned to in the form of a Master Sergeant who had a master's degree in English. He was a pr*ck when it came to report writing, but by God, I learned how to write. Those skills served me well as a police officer, police trainer, and college student.

My oldest daughter often proofed my grad school academic writings for grammar and spelling as a high school student. She had to trust me on content. Doing this also improved her writing skills. I return the favor by proofing her college papers now and I don't have to correct much.

I see the writings put forth in the Poolee forum and cringe. I see equally bad writings in the Marine Only forums, but I am much more forgiving there because many of those Marines (particularly my contemporaries or sooner) had to quit school early to feed their families. Current Poolees should be much better, but in most case are not due to rotten teaching in public schools.

As an adult educator and trainer, I deeply believe that ANY learning opportunity is a good opportunity. Marines should take as many MCIs as is reasonable, but MUST take them with the intent to learn as much as they can from them. Taking an MCI just to check a box on a form is a foolishly wasted opportunity.

Just a few tips from your Uncle Zulu. :D

thewookie
12-30-11, 09:57 AM
Point in case, Marines have some of the worst grammar in the world, and a high percentage of them can't spell to save their lives


This is somewhat true. I say somewhat because I believe most Marines don't spell and use grammar correctly because they typically: 1) are lazy and text type 2) don't care.

They might know better, but they don't always deliver it.

Marines don't learn to spell or use proper grammar from MCI's, so true --> hopefully, they learned it in HS, actually grade school, but the MCI's reenforce things that we may have forgotten.

For the general discussion and my two cents into it --> I think MCI's are like a lot of things in life; the same can be said for any book or anything we do -- you get back what you put in.

If you cheat and just get them done, the box is checked and you carry on. But if you look at them like an opportunity to better yourself, to learn something new, for free, on your time -- then you will probably learn something you didn't previously know.

But it is always easier to say they are worthless because that's what most Marines say.

It is also easy to follow, but much harder to lead. ;)

Beltayn
12-31-11, 05:55 PM
It is worth noting that many MCIs are actually WORTH COLLEGE CREDIT.
There is no reason NOT to do MCIs when in 20 minutes you can earn 2-3 semester hours and save hundreds of dollars.

BGW
12-31-11, 09:16 PM
All colleges accept MCI's as credits? Or only a select few accept MCI's as credits?

victormgonzalez
01-04-13, 07:38 AM
Ok so just to be clear, if I complete the 8000 series as a Cpl, I will not get any points for education towards Sgt? Cuz I noticed on my MOL that my education points reset to 0 on the date of my promotion. This is confusing.