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Devildogg4ever
10-05-03, 05:46 AM
Health officials don't know
Friday, October 3, 2003 Posted: 11:31 AM EDT (1531 GMT)


ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- A sweeping federal review of the nation's gun control laws -- including mandatory waiting periods and bans on certain weapons -- found no proof such measures reduce firearm violence.

The review, released Thursday, was conducted by a task force of scientists appointed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC said the report suggests more study is needed, not that gun laws don't work. But the agency said it has no plans to spend more money on firearms study.

Some conservatives have said that the CDC should limit itself to studying diseases, and some have complained in the past that the agency has used firearms-tracking data to subtly push gun control. In fact, since a 1996 fight in Congress, the CDC has been prohibited from using funds to press for gun control laws.

Since then, the task force reviewed 51 published studies about the effectiveness of eight types of gun-control laws. The laws included bans on specific firearms or ammunition, measures barring felons from buying guns, and mandatory waiting periods and firearm registration. None of the studies were done by the federal government.

In every case, a CDC task force found "insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness."

"I would not want to speculate on how different groups may interpret this report," said Dr. Sue Binder, Director of CDC's Center for Injury Prevention and Control. "It's simply a review of the literature."

Most of the studies were not funded by the CDC. Gun-control advocates quickly called on the government to fund better research.

A spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said the laws work, but it is nearly impossible to prove it because people can buy guns in one state and carry them into one of the handful of states with strong antigun measures.

"It's hard to study whether gun control laws work in this country because we have so few of them," said Peter Hamm. "Talking about studying gun control in this country is like talking about studying democracy in Iraq."

The National Rifle Association said it needed more time to review the report before commenting on it.

Call for additional studies
Firearms injuries were the second leading cause of injury deaths, killing 28,663 people in 2000, the most recent year for which data was available. About 58 percent of the deaths were suicides. Gun accidents claimed about 775 lives that year.


About the only conclusion the task force could draw from the surveys was that mandatory waiting periods reduced gun suicides in people over 55. But even that reduction was not big enough to significantly affect gun suicides for the overall population.

The task force complained that many of the studies were inconsistent, too narrow, or poorly done.

"When we say we don't know the effect of a law, we don't mean it has no effect. We mean we don't know," said Dr. Jonathan Fielding, chairman of the CDC task force. "We are calling for additional high-quality studies."

Among the problems:

-- Studies on firearm bans and ammunition bans were inconsistent. Some showed the bans decreased violence; others found the bans actually increased violence. Many firearm bans grant exemptions to people who already owned the weapons, making it hard to tell how well a ban worked. Other evidence showed that firearms sales go up right before bans take effect.

-- Studies on background checks were also inconsistent, with some showing decreased firearm injuries and others showing increased injuries. A major problem with those studies, the report said, was that "denial of an application does not always stop applicants from acquiring firearms through other means."

-- Only four studies examined the effectiveness of firearm registration on violent outcomes, and all of the findings were again inconsistent.

-- Too few studies have been done on child-access gun laws to gauge their effectiveness.

-- Study periods often are too narrow to tell whether gun laws work. The task force noted that "rates of violence may affect the passage of firearms laws, and firearms laws may then affect rates of violence."



http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/10/03/cdc.gun.laws.ap/index.html

Sparrowhawk
10-05-03, 09:14 AM
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yellowwing
10-05-03, 10:50 AM
Our little Kingdom of Canada is really gun shy. A few years ago some Toronto police .40 handguns were hijacked from the manufacturer, it made the national news.

You can get permits to keep a handgun in your home. The provisions are that the police can knock on your door and inspect the weapons on a moments notice. A gun owner in Brandon Manitoba took his handgun to a gunsmith one weekend. Sure enough the RCMP knocked on his door Saturday morning, no gun. He spent the rest of the weekend in holding until the gunsmith could be reached Monday morning.

Forget about owning a .50! We have to go to North Dakota to even shoot a Sharp's replica, (which are really sweet). They did pass a National gun registry law for rifles and shotguns. The admin costs were passed on to the individual Provinces. For once ALL of the Provinces said, "Stick it!"

The gangs are still better armed than the police. No gun control legislation will ever change that.

Sgt Sostand
10-06-03, 07:55 PM
No Gun Laws dont prevent violence people pervent Violence

Omega
10-06-03, 08:42 PM
agreed sgt sostand.

Maybe we should start banning cars because their too fast. I mean it's not my fault it's the cars fault right? So many people want to blame something that isn't the issue. We blame movies video games and guns. When will they stop passing the buck and take responsibility?

RoboRobinson17
10-06-03, 10:27 PM
I was always taught by my father that gun control was "hitting your target".

"A spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said the laws work, but it is nearly impossible to prove it because people can buy guns in one state and carry them into one of the handful of states with strong antigun measures. "

Lets think about this one - study put out by one of the biggest anti-gun agency in the country...no brainer. I'm surprised that they didn't make something up to make things look better in their favor.

Gun Control doesn't cut violence, it hampers law-abiding citizens from getting weapons. Most guns used in crimes are illegally obtained to begin with.

Bottom line - Guns don't kill people, People kill people.

Semper Fidelis,

Joe

firstsgtmike
11-24-03, 10:05 AM
Town passes ordinance requiring firearms


GEUDA SPRINGS, Kan. — Residents of this tiny south-central Kansas community have passed an ordinance requiring most households to have guns and ammunition.

Noncomplying residents would be fined $10 under the ordinance, passed 3-2 earlier this month by City Council members who thought it would help protect the town of 210 people. Those who suffer from physical or mental disabilities, paupers and people who conscientiously oppose firearms would be exempt.

"This ordinance fulfills the duty to protect by allowing each individual householder to provide for his or her protection," said Councilman John Brewer.

kentmitchell
11-25-03, 03:12 PM
I like the bumper sticker Sgt. Grit sells:

GUNS DON'T KILL

I DO

Doc Crow
11-25-03, 10:32 PM
Ok everyone Move to Kansas

Apache
11-26-03, 04:42 PM
Gun control cannot be regulated by big-brother.Self respect and adult are the determining factors.Get the govt. out of it and we'll do fine.