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Veteran’s Loyalty
By Robert Adelhelm | Published  06/18/2006 | Rants & Raves | Rating:
Robert Adelhelm
Bob was born and educated in New Jersey. He graduated from William Patterson College in Wayne, New Jersey with a B.S. Degree in Criminal Justice and was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Marines in 1973. He spent 22 years on active duty.

His service included assignments in various command, staff and instructor billets with 8th Marines, 4th Marines, 2d Reconnaissance Battalion, Blount Island Command, The Basic School (TBS) Quantico MCB, Amphibious Reconnaissance School (ARS) NAB Coronado, NROTC University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill / North Carolina State University and he was an Aide-de-Camp for the Assistant Division Commander of the 3d Marine Division. He was with 2nd Battalion 8th Marines during operations in Beirut, Lebanon. Bob retired with the rank of LtCol in 1995. His MOSs include 0302, 0402, 9953 and 9960. He the recipient of the Meritorious Service Medal with three Stars, Navy Achievement Medal, Marine Expeditionary Medal and the Combat Action Ribbon.

He is the founder and past president of the Jacksonville Semper Fidelis Society. Life member of the VFW, a member of the American Legion and Marine Corps League and is a Past Chairmen of the NE Florida Veterans Council. He remains actively involved in assisting veterans.  

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Veteran's Loyalty

Where do these Veterans with the attitude, “that Vet thing doesn’t cut it with me” get off!  That’s right Veterans who don’t give a damn about their fellow Veterans.  Yes, we have them and I am sure you have run into this strange breed.  I had my experience with a few and unfortunately some that I helped because they were Vets. The aforementioned quote rolled off the lips of a retired senior SNCO, a Sgt Major in fact, and was directed towards another Marine SNCO Veteran. I have also seen it in retired officers who have ignored fellow Marines and Veterans in need.  They understand the brotherhood only when it is convenient to them; they certainly give new meaning to the phrase Semper Fi, Mac!


These are the same types that use our special trust and confidence as a means to distort the truth and give credibility to their lies and self-serving agenda’s.  We have recently seen an example of this with a Congressman and Marine “COLONEL”, but there are others.  They are in all our communities.  These are a strange breed and unfortunately, some of them are in positions to help in a positive way, but end up doing nothing positive when it comes to helping vets. They have no sense of brotherhood; it is all about them and their self promoting agendas.  And in the end, they end up contributing to the negative efforts geared towards degrading the contributions and sacrifices of veterans.  They side track much needed Veterans initiatives by giving those with an anti-veteran and military agenda help in furthering their attacks on veteran and military benefits.    

 

The average citizen doesn’t see these individuals as anything other than a veteran who might have been a Marine Officer; they don’t know the differences Regular, Reserve, National Guard.  We are just the military to them.  As a result, some reserve officer’s ridiculous and sometimes less than Marine like behavior is viewed as credible. The Marine title, although reserve, gives the impression of a powerful and credible figure.  It provides them with a platform of a proud and illustrious history and traditions to distort facts and spew lies that destroy the reputations of other Marines and our Corps.   

 

Although I have seen this sort of behavior and attitude in some regular Marine Corps types, it unfortunately seems to be more prevalent in those associate with the reserves.  Now, I do not mean to offend my reserve Marine brothers or sisters, especially the young enlisted Marines.  Their intentions are honorable and their service is valued.  But despite this, there are differences since WWII in the SNCO and Officer departments.  As Napoleon Bonaparte once said, “There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels”.  Ain’t that the truth! 

 

So, what is the difference between USMC and USMC-R for those who don’t know?  Since WWII there has been a big difference.  During WWII the reserves and signing up for the duration of the war created an added force of military personnel that were not much different from their fighting regular military counterparts.  They shared all the same hardships and experiences in all the same theaters of war for the same lengths of time, but after the end of the war some reserves were discharged much sooner than the regulars.  But they were, without exception, the same in fighting abilities and courage as their counterparts in the regular forces.  The 1960's and 70' changed all this. 

 

At this point, if anyone thinks I “have it out for the reserves”, I need only have to  inform them that my initial introduction and eventually motivation to become a Marine was a result of a USMCR Marine.  Although I never actually met him, stories of him and his love of the Corps made an impression on me that struck with me throughout my career…

Pfc. Harry Nyegaard USMCR

(Sept. 14, 1944) -- Marine Pfc. Harry Nyegaard, 19, of Main Street, was reported killed June 19 on the isalnd of Tinian.  Nyegaard enlisted in December 1942, and went overseas with a field communications unit.  He was a veteran of Saipan, Kwajalein and Namur Roi, all in the South Pacific.  Nyegaard graduated  from Belleville High School in 1942.

Posthumously Awarded the Silver Star for Heroism

(Oct. 18, 1945) -- Pfc. Harry Nyegaard was killed in Saipan on June 19, 1944, while laying a communications wire between a battalion command post and a company in the field.  Navy Secretary James Forrestal personally signed the citation for Nyegaard's Silver Star.  Nyegaard had already received a Purple Heart and a copy of the Presidential Unit Citation in which the commanding general of the 4th Marine Division gave recognition to the young Marine.  Pfc. Nyegaard enlisted at age 17.

Despite this, I am still of the opinion the reserves changed.  The 1960’s, 70’s and Viet Nam, unfortunately, gave a bad name and image to the reserves and the Guard.  Let’s face it, we all know why folks signed up for the guard and the reserves during this period; to avoid going to Viet Nam.  Although some Guard and reserve units did deploy to Viet Nam, they did not ever reach the number and/or reputation of the reserve forces in WWII.  Even those reserve personnel that did deploy usually filled billets that did not generally put them in harms way and to be frank, the regulars liked it that way.  The reserves were not as up to par on a lot of things that the regulars handled as routine both in the officer and enlisted departments. Additionally, some of the reservist who volunteered for active duty during this time frame had personal  agendas.  In some cases the active time and exposure was for political purposes and if they managed to get a medal or two that was even better.  The "decorated" war hero image helped in campaigns.  Does that sound familiar?  I served with a few officers that were in the Marines Corps for exactly that reason.  They needed the service time; it would look good on their resume when they got into politics. 

Although the war in and Iraq and Afghanistan are drawing more and more reserves into supporting operational commitments, their image as a organization still has a ways to go to recover from the image created in the 60' and 70's and return to that of the reserves units that fought in WWII and the Korean War.        

 

Over time the reserves became and have remained less competitive than the regular Marine Corps or regular forces in general; it is much easier to get promoted.  Officers that have failed promotion to captain in the regular Marine Corps and had to get out of the Regular Marine Corps usually had the option of going into the reserves.  Over the years, some have ended up as reserve “Colonels” and have been called up to active duty.  This is the case for some today with the war on terrorism and with certain military occupational specialties that are short and have to be filled by reserves.  To some it seems strange that an officer that can fail promotion in the regulars and had to leave, can than be promoted to a far higher rank in the reserves, but it’s true. 

 

Now, to the average citizen there is no distinction between a reserve rank and a regular rank, but I can assure them that outside of the normal courtesy to the rank, there is a BIG difference in the eyes of a regular 24/7 Marine.  No political correctness here, facts are the facts.  Duh-R usually sends a signal…it starts to tell you something, especially where the SNCO’s and officers are concerned.  It is here, unfortunatley,  you may find individuals that used other Marines, the Marine Corps and its image and history to promote themselves.  It is here you may find the type of individual that relished living the myth, strutting about the community with a Marine image earned by others, because they couldn’t or didn't want to handle the fulltime reality.  It is here you are likely to find the type that gets by distorting the truth, because they are perceived as honorable and upright hard charging Marines.  This is the type that more often than not has the attitude “that vet thing doesn’t cut it with me” because maybe they really couldn’t cut it at one time. 

 

The vast majority of Marines and veterans do not condone this type of attitude, behavior or poor leadership.  Marines and Veterans pride themselves on the fact that Honor is their Loyalty and they are Always Faithful!  And I am of the opinion, there should be no difference whether Reserve or Regular are concerned. But unfortunately there has been; there is. 


Now, this isn’t just about the current situation and one of our “own COLONELs".  This is about all those that have forgotten what it means to be a Marine, a veteran and positive role model whether it be regular or reserve.  This is only one of the more recent and glaring examples.  There have been other Marines and vets that have done the same sort of thing or worse.  And when you look close, unfortunately, there is usually an R in their title more often than not.  As this example unfortunately depicts:

 

ARMY SILVER STAR MEDAL
TO
LIEUTENANT COMMANDER LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON,
UNITED STATES NAVAL RESERVE

"For gallantry in action in the vicinity of Port Moresby and Salamaua, New Guinea on June 9, 1942. While on a mission of obtaining information in the Southwest Pacific area, Lieutenant Commander Johnson, in order to obtain personal knowledge of combat conditions, volunteered as an observer on a hazardous aerial combat mission over hostile positions in New Guinea. As our planes neared the target area they were intercepted by eight hostile fighters. When, at this time, the plane in which Lieutenant Commander Johnson was an observer, developed mechanical trouble and was forced to turn back alone, presenting a favorable target to the enemy fighters, he evidenced marked coolness in spite of the hazards involved. His gallant action enabled him to obtain and return with valuable information."

Different time, different congressman and different service, but the agenda, well you decide. 

 

This is not something new (Read Stolen Valor by BG Burkett) and it will continue by those who think they can get away with it, until we finally put a stop to it and start demanding some accountability.  For the majority of us regular or reserve Marines and or Vets we did what we did and we survived, because we knew we “could count on each other”.  We were and we remain WARRIORS who believed in that WARRIOR ETHOS built on “trust” and “loyalty”.  It remains steadfast and is engrained in the majority of veterans even today.  But strange as it is, there are some vets that just don’t get or never got it.  Their attitudes and behavior as vets are harmful to the veteran’s image.  They detract from positive veterans initiatives and adversely affect the support we so badly need in a society were less than 10% of us are vets

 

This is even more critical when one of those vets has a position of influence and can  effect change for vets or vet initiatives.  It seems that even here they lack the moral courage to stand up for their own veteran’s community and more than often than not they end up just regurgitating the BS of those that appointed them.  They become mindless and valueless individuals subjugated to a political party or agenda.  It is more of the “that vet thing doesn’t cut it with them”. 

 

Look within your own communities and see if these attitudes and the lack of moral courage to stand up for vets exist.  Is there an understanding in the difference between those who wear the uniform and those who wore the uniform when it comes to benefits and care?  Do you have veterans in positions that have the ability to influence vet initiatives, but just end up kowtowing to the power elite for their own self-serving reasons?  If not you are lucky, but unfortunately that is not the case in many communities, mine included. 

 

It’s time we start holding veterans with this attitude, veterans in positions of influence and leadership and any veterans that represent us in any capacity accountable.  It’s time we start demanding they put our values, principles and standards of conduct ahead of their self–serving interests, political correctness and agendas.   

 

Marines take care of Marines and Vets need to take care of Vets.  There should be no tolerance for anything less Regular, Reserve or Guard.  Being a veteran came with a price, representing veterans comes with a price…Faith, Trust, Confidence and ACCOUNTABILTY!       

 

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."  Thomas Jefferson

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  • Comment #1 (Posted by jim clark)
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    I agree 100% with what you are saying.The Col.you are refering to is nothing more than a turn coat two faced,self centered son-of-a-bitch and should never be allowed to refer to himself as a Marine!!He is in a prime position to really help the Corp but he has turned on the Marine Corps and is doing all he can to tear it down!Somewhere along the line some Drill Instructor forgot to stomp into his empty head the meaning of Semper Fi.
    Semper Fi to you Lt.Colonel and keep up the good writing.
    former PFC
    Jim Clark
    1966-1968
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by william t, donohue sr)
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    Comment with regards to "vet crap, get over it".

    When I was younger I went and graduated from Parris Island though my time in the corp was short lived, it shaped and molded my values and character as my grandfather did who was a retired army major/civilian employee, my father from the navy who sailed onthe intreped, and the boy scouts.

    im shunned as i didnt do a tour of 20 plus years as my grandfather, my cousin is shunned as he left after 6 years. bottom is as quoted from the article, people only care when its a self serving cause, the other problem society resents, and we fall into it is tax dollars are set aside for veterans and families for assistance, some are too proud to seek it, others bad mouth you as a failure for attempting to access it via the beurcratic read tape.

    I'm sorry reality is and billy ray cyrus said it best" all gave some, but some gave all". People cant handle itthey cant understand why we are the world police and why our families are torn apart for a piece of land that will never be soveriegn american territory, but we snuffed out the problem took casualties/deaths and came home. loved ones were killed senselessly. the attack onthe us was the second of its kind in history on 9/11, and from what ive researched and studied unprovoked. yet the attack on pearl harbor, well we in advertantly provoked that and their are govt records to it, and advance warning as well. btw, im aparalegal so it took a while to sift and read and collate and make sense of the documentation.

    the ulimate wrap up, and bottom to what i'm trying to say is that we are who we are based on expieriences, in our lives, we were molded in one image on parris island, and now te rules that applied to marines for years no longer apply because society has undermined the power of the corp, sued the corp because they didnt get a duty station, and recieved an honorable discharge with full benefits simply because we didnt give a lawyers son what he wanted. thats not what being a marine is about, being a marine is about coming together for one goal protecting our country as we know it to be. many can't understand that In working on my degrees im chastized for the efforts i put in my work or the dilligence, i wont back down its part of my character. in redng both nco's comments you need to think, who has dealt with more bs, and who has a thicker skin and didnt allow it to effect them as visibily as it did the other nco. we came in with nothing but the clothes on our back in the middle of the night to a bunch of people yelling at us, we left as lean mean fighting machines with a razor edge. society is our enemy as is politics, not each other. some just open their mouth and express views they were brow beaten to accept vs. just look at you blankly. me, well ive gotten in trouble for both. in fact recently i told off 2 deans of students for attacking me personally based on my expierence in work and life vs a classman 20 years younger, i stood there cold and garing, as we were taught, and reguested to speak the dean snapped, and the presidet of the college corrected her, and then she got what she wasnt looking for.people who dont understand and are tired of it make the most noise. Like welfare, and drug addiction reform.......i could go on based on school projects but wont. semper fi, respectfully
    william donohue sr
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by L. Tevebaugh, (USMC Ret))
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    Although Mr. Adelhelm's comments about loyalty among Vets is a worthy subject, I found myself wondering who this person was to, on the one hand, complain about Vet loyalty, and on the other, disparage the service of members of the Reserves, both active, and veteran. By the time I had finished the article, I was almost at the point where I was ready to cancel my subscription to this emagaine for allowing the printing of an article like this.

    If the author of this article had been in Vietnam, he would know that both active and reserve parts of the Marine Corps had their bad apples to deal with. It was not a reserve or regular problem. There were also equal incidents of valor and heroism among both the reserve and regulars.

    The author of this article attempts to draw back the paint that he has painted all the present and past members of the reserve with but the color was already permanent when he made the attempt.

    People will write, but editors, like bad "Colonels" are responsible for the product that they put out. In my opinion, this is a bad product, and the editor is responsible for this article seeing the light of day in this magazine.
     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by larry iles Sgt USMC inactive)
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    ALSO, A REMINDER THAT BEING A COMBAT VET DOES NOT ENSURE WISDOM IN THE DECISION MAKING OF MILITARY STRATEGY/LOGISTICS/TACTICS. GENERAL MURPHA USMC, NO DOUBT, A GENTLEMAN WHO RENDERED GREAT SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY, ALSO, PURPORTS TO POSSESS THE ACUMENT TO DETERMINE THE BEST POLICY OF THE U. S. MILITARY, I.E., TO SURRENDER TO TERRORISTS--CUT AND RUN. WE CAN AND WILL WIN THIS WAR. AS USUAL, IT WILL TAKE BLOOD, TALENT, TEARS AND TREASURY, BUT THE CONVERSE IS TO SET THE BATTLELINE ON THE COASTS OF THE UNITED STATES. SEMPER FI.
     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by Michael C.Gutermuth)
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    Outstanding! Semper Fi!
     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by Lt.BureUSMCR--RET.)
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    Those who don't care about us REAL VETS , do not deserve to be called vets.

    SO for those of us who are REAL VETS SEMPI-FI MAC!!!!!!
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by Ken Jarvis)
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    You bet there is a difference between the actives and the Reserves! We accomplish what amounts to two full-time jobs. I don't know about the Marine Corps but in the Navy the standards are identical for actives and Reserves. We hold down a full-time civilian job and still find time to be qualified for our military positions.

    I'm very sure I know the individuals you are referring to and I agree with you 100%. But don't judge the community by them. I could give you the names of hundreds of Reservists who go way beyond what is asked. Many of them are NCOs with college degrees. They enlisted as kids but are now respected professionals in civilian life. For whatever reason they did not or could not get a commission. When called to active duty their pay plummets. They know it and accept it. Its an honor to serve with such men and women.

    I came in as a Reserve. OKI didnt want to be drafted. I didnt mind serving my country even if it meant going to Vietnam. I just didnt like the Army (I doubt at Leatherneck.com Ill get too many arguments on that). I did two years on a carrier on Yankee Station. NoI didnt get shot at (wellthere was that time in Oakland) and thats bothered me for a long time. Interestingly enough its been the vets (Marine and Army) who were in country who came my defense. They thanked me for the cover that our carrier provided. Still, if anyone should ask Ive never felt equal to those who slugged it out on the ground. That said, I did everything that was ask of me.

    When I came home I refused the early out and extendedseveral times. Finally after nine years got a commission...yeah in the Reserves! I retired after 36 years with 2 enlisted years out of nine and 6 commissioned years out of 27 on active duty.

    Dont give me any of your The Reserves are inferior crap! Your article starts out talking about those who fail to support their fellow vets. Stick with that subject but dont draw conclusion about an entire community of citizens who serve twice over. Yes, when I was a CO I had one butt head in my unit who was very open about joining the Reserves to advance his political career. Onejust one in my circle of associates and in 36 years thats quite a large circle.

    Youve written some fine articles in the past, Robert, but you really stepped in it this time.

    CAPT Ken Jarvis, USNR (ret)
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by Ed Wargin)
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    Very well written and right on target. Good job.
     
  • Comment #9 (Posted by Arturo Velasquez)
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    To the marine officer who wrote this article I salute you SIR!WE should take care of our own and take care of all VETS.When I earned my Eagle ,Globe and Anchor
    it was for life that I took that Oath to be "Always
    Faithful"
     
  • Comment #10 (Posted by msgt raymond)
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    i give a dime to a vet if i have one ,i give a ten spot to a vet if i have one, but like christ , i also give him phone numbers including mine to get them out of the quagmire they are in. next time i see them i ask did you call, if they say .....i still give them the card , some money ,and ...next time i see them it is same ritual, this time i take them to some one, and tell them dont talk to me , dont speak to me ,dont look at me if you did not follow up. Semper fi , but 3 strikes, you just want to bitch, nad maybe even god cant help you. the corps was never picky on the bodies they enlisted, i joined in 67, and we had criminals ,scum, and sick puppies in my platoon, ex.5th week of boot camp a recruit was taken out of the squad bay for 3 murders in SW phillie. any nam vet can tell you the same story. i had to teach a recruit to spell his name in 2 weeks or he would be sent home, i did , but what happened too him when he was dicharged, and about all the razzing he got from recruits in the squadbay wheen the di's were gone. we also enlisted morons to fullfill the corps goal of an elite force, or farce, enuff said, that is why viet vets are the way they are lower than low , great MARINES, worthless in society, please not all but every boot camp platoon had men that had problems then and only got worse after serving in the jungles and mountains of "THE NAM "
     
  • Comment #11 (Posted by Corporal David Everett, 1998-2003)
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    This was an excellent article. It had many good points. I was especially dismayed at LBJ's citation. It sounds like he did nothing to me. But I could be wrong. I understand what you mean about the reserves. In Iraq, I have had personal experience with the Guard and the reserves. However, perhaps you should reconsider your position. It seems to me that you are perhaps a bit too harsh. I can't speak on the officer and SNCO side of the reserves, but the NCOs and the troops I came into contact with were first rate. Perhaps time has changed since the 1960's and 1970's. I have heard many viewpoints on Vietnam. It seems to me that each person's experience is unique, and should not be taken as a whole.
     
  • Comment #12 (Posted by R. A. Kiser)
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    I get the feeling that since I was a Marine Reservist during Viet Nam that I am branded as a second classed citizen, or cowardly slacker by this article. I graduated from Parris Island just like the "regulars" did and am very proud of my 6 years of service. I was told that upon graduation from boot camp that I had EARNED the title Marine, but it appears that is not true according to this article and some of the comments I read. If the Reserve force was not acceptable to Headquarters Marine Corps at the time why was that an enlistment option? In addition, were the 8,000 Marine draftees in 1965 also considered less than "real" Marines?

    I have been in law enforcement for 36 years and the way I figure it if I have a job that requires wearing body armor to work and carrying a gun 24/7 I am doing what it takes to keep America safe and free, just like the "regular" Marines. I particpate in veteran assitance programs through the American Legion, the Marine Coprs League, the National League of Families of POW/MIA's, and the local Marine Corps Family Support Group.

    I guess I feel I don't have to "prove" anything to anyone.

    Semper Fi from a Reserve and proud of it!
     
  • Comment #13 (Posted by HJ Cooper)
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    Great Job Col!! Semper Fi!
     
  • Comment #14 (Posted by William Squire)
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    Excellent!! I hope Col. Murtha read this as much as Al-Queada reads his quotes! He's become the Mouth of the Enemy! So has most politicians who continue to argue in a public forum. Especially for Time tables. Why do the fools in Washington tell the enemy the route they will take so they can ambush our troops on the way out? The old axiom, "Loose lips sink ships." It still applies today! Oh, buy the way, the media can NOT keep secrets; so don't tell them any! LCpl-USMC & SSG, 1LT USAR 15 yr., 8 mn., 27 days. 100% Service Connected Disabled Veteran. I am reminded of the cost of freedom daily!
     
  • Comment #15 (Posted by En Kyoo)
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    I have a friend who is a recruiter for the National Guard in my hometown. He and I attended college together. He is constantly below quota. The Marine recruiter in town, not a close personal friend of mine, told me he has no problem recruiting young man. Why? There is a history with the Marine Corps that automatically gets passed on to a Marine recruit after graduating boot camp. We stand above the rest for a reason. Honor, Integrity and esprit de corps. The other services do not have this. It pains me to see this group of reservist sullying our hard earned name. We need to clear our ranks of this mentality. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

    Semper Fi

    N. Quintanar
     
  • Comment #16 (Posted by Gil Vallejos/ L/Cpl USMC)
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    I was one of those Marines that forgot that he was a Marine. It took news footage of President G.W.Bush decending from Air Force one tapping a Marine on the shoulder and returning his Salute. Not only did that scene bring tears to my eyes, it motivated me to get involved. I have helped a few Brother Marines and my pay back is an immense satisfaction that the meager help I offered will be paid forward to other Brother and Sister Marines in future years. This part of the Marine Corps tradition has been carried on since my in the early sixties. This article, though somewhat contentious, is right on. SEMPER FI, CARRY ON.
     
  • Comment #17 (Posted by patrick l. woolley)
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    as a past s/sgt USMC my pride grows daily with the new breed. we are all Marine Brothers and should stick together like super glue. your comments are right these gouys need the hell kicked out of them. we should ban together and work to prove that MUDER was not intended. its hard to fight an enemy when they show no difference in dress how do you tell the differenence?they paid no attention to us as in all wars barbaric we should use the same tactics they dont care about there own or ours we should not care about any of them. Walk Tall Carry A B ig Stick and Kick A Lot Of Ass.lets as former Marines join in the battle to stand behind these guys and there actions. start a campaing and lets show them We Give A Damn
     
  • Comment #18 (Posted by Cpl James E Davis USMC)
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    I served in the Corps from 95 - 99 active duty, I miss it for the world. It is not the same as it was before I went in, The only true brothers you have in life are the ones you served with. Life on the outside, you are just that you are on the outside, you don't fit in and they don't understand you. i have been out for 8 years, they didn't understand me then and they don't now. I have met some reserves and, yes you are exactally right at what you said, for the most part they are the ones that "the vet thing don't cut it with them", and there are a select few that you would never know the difference!
    Semper Fi my BROTHER and God Speed!!!!!!!
     
  • Comment #19 (Posted by Joe)
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    Thanks for pointing out an issue I would imagine has never occurred to most of us. However, I'm not sure that your distinction between regulars and reservists is all that clear cut. I suspect that this was much more prevalent in the Officer Ranks than with enlisted and a few examples spring to mind. Like, Al Gore. While he's tecnically a Vietnam Vet, he did apparently spend his tour hiding under a desk at MACV Headquarters in down town Saigon as a JAG Lawyer.

    On the other hand, you have those Marines who did suffer in the bush, and in many cases, still suffer from the experience. It calls to mind a very cogent remark by Richard Nixon who identified the "Silent Majority" as compared to the noisy Jane Fonda minority who id'ed all Nam Vets as "Baby Killers". The Bush Marines that I know would fit comfortasbly into that "Silent Majority" group simply because they'd prefer not to remember. This does supress social leadership qualities.
    An excellent example of this is a tour at Khe San. I wasn't there myself, but I had a brother-in- law who was there. Artie has since passed away, but not before leaving me (a fellow Marine) with a vivid picture of those days on the hill. For the rest of his life, Artie would drop to the deck if a car back-fired, and it didn't matter where he was.
    Artie didn't talk about his experience to anyone who couldn't directly relate. Unless you've been there, you can't possibly understand what it's like to be terrified 24/7 with not a moments respite. Not bad enough you did your share of recon patrols knowing the place was crawling with Ho's Boys, but getting back to base camp in one piece brought no comfort at all. It seemed like every mortar in the world was trained on that little outpost. He didn't so much sleep as pass out and was certain he'd wake up scattered around the compound each time he did pass out. It didn't take long for every pair of skivies he owned to get decorated with skid marks. His experience came to me only once and it took an extra portion of malt beverage for that to happen.
    The only thing that kept him going was his training and his strong sense of responsibility for his fellow Marines.

    You really can't expect guys with these kinds of experiences to do anything more than want to forget them, knowing full well that they never could.
     
  • Comment #20 (Posted by B.R. Smith Msgt USMC Ret.)
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    I have always been keenly aware of our "We take care of our own" ethos but in light of Murtha and his ilk,
    some of whom are still wearing the uniform but have forgotten what Semper Fidelis is all about I am truly saddened. When Lt. Pantano was fed to the wolves and now these Haditha Marines and those at Pendleton who have just been charged after spending months in Shackles before even being allowed to present their case, I can not believe USMC officer (JAG or not) could do these things to their own because of political pressure from a spineless bunch of bleeding heart liberals.
     
  • Comment #21 (Posted by an unknown user)
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    I have never met a fellow Vet that has that frame of mind but if I did I would put him or her in check.
    SEMPER FI !!!
     
  • Comment #22 (Posted by Norman S. Stahl)
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    Perhaps I have just been lucky, but I have lived in four different states and have only met one (1) former Marine who appeared not to recognize his kinship with other Marines. This MSgt struck me as an opportunistic bastard even when he was on active duty.

    I have never met Congressman Murtha, but I get the same impression of him. He is the first Marine I have ever heard say, "We cannot win" Good thing he wasn't on Iwo Jima! For the record, I served 6 years in the USMCR and 22 years active commissioned service and served in all three divisions, two airwings, and three brigades.
     
  • Comment #23 (Posted by terry shafter)
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    sir in ref to your article about the fair weather veterans, thats what i call them.i think it was great.ibetcha you pissed some people off!!!so what.i know how it feels.i try to keep my distance from those kinds of vets.they give us all a bad name.please continue with that kind of truthfull writing. semper fi terry shafteru.s.m.c.79 85.
     
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